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| Greg Stohr / Bloomberg: |
Filing: Trump asks SCOTUS to pause the law that could ban TikTok, saying the court should give him time to “pursue a political resolution” of the dispute — - Biden administration says Chinese control of app is threat — TikTok says law infringes rights of 170 million Americans
Bluesky: @mikeisaac, @bobbyallyn, @carnage4life, @chrisgeidner, @jeremyz, @zachsdorfman, @jameeljaffer, and @mmasnick
Threads: @mgsiegler and @mgsiegler
More:
Maria Curi / Axios: Trump asks SCOTUS for TikTok ban pause
Danny Gallagher / Engadget: Donald Trump asks the Supreme Court to delay the TikTok ban
Lisa Bonos / Washington Post: Trump asks Supreme Court to delay TikTok ban so he can decide app's future
Adam Liptak / New York Times: Trump Urges Supreme Court to Pause TikTok Ban
The Hill: Trump asks Supreme Court to delay TikTok ban so he can ‘negotiate a resolution to save the platform’
Sylvia Varnham O'Regan / The Information: Lawyers for Trump Urge Supreme Court to Pause TikTok Ban
Khushboo Razdan / South China Morning Post: TikTok pushes US Supreme Court to rule that divest-or-ban law is unconstitutional; Trump weighs in
Eugene Volokh / Reason: Trump Urges Stay of S. Ct. Proceedings in TikTok Case, Delay of Statutory Effective Date
JD Knapp / The Wrap: Donald Trump Asks Supreme Court to Delay TikTok Ban Over First Amendment Concerns
Winston Cho / The Hollywood Reporter: Trump Moves to Pause TikTok Ban Law in Filing Signaling Support for Platform
Kanishka Singh / Reuters: Trump asks Supreme Court to pause law that could ban TikTok
Melissa Koenig / Daily Mail: Donald Trump asks Supreme Court to hold off TikTok ban so he can ‘negotiate a resolution’
Joseph Wilkes / The Mirror: Donald Trump in major TikTok ban move as he makes special request of Supreme Court
Sarah Arnold / Townhall: Trump Asks Supreme Court to Delay TikTok Ban
Wendy Davis / MediaPost: Trump Asks Supreme Court To Delay TikTok Ban
Todd Spangler / Variety: Trump Urges Supreme Court to Halt TikTok Ban While His Administration Works Out a ‘Negotiated Resolution’
Sarah K. Burris / Raw Story: ‘Honestly thought this was satire’: Experts scoff at new Trump filing ‘full of puffery’
NBC News: Trump urges Supreme Court to hit pause on a law that could ban TikTok in the U.S. next month
Hannah Nightingale / The Post Millennial: BREAKING: Trump urges Supreme Court to pause TikTok ban
Melissa Quinn / CBS News: Trump opposes TikTok ban, asks Supreme Court for time to resolve via negotiations
Maureen Groppe / USA Today: Trump asks Supreme Court to pause TikTok ban so he can ‘negotiate a resolution’
Josh Christenson / New York Post: Trump asks Supreme Court to halt TikTok ban from taking effect
Bluesky:
Rat King / @mikeisaac: well at least all the lawyers got three years of billable hours — www.nytimes.com/2024/12/27/u... [image]
Bobby Allyn / @bobbyallyn: I called up @stevevladeck.bsky.social for reflections on Trump's TikTok brief: — “What's stunning about it is it cites no legal authority and acts as if he's already president,” he said. “It's a nakedly political law-free brief.”
Dare Obasanjo / @carnage4life: Donald Trump filed an amicus brief urging the Supreme Court to block a TikTok ban as he pursues a political resolution. — As Truth Social's founder, he warns of the dangers of government censorship of social media. — The Biden administration has handed an early win to Trump. [image]
Chris Geidner / @chrisgeidner: The Trump amicus brief in the TikTok case is wild, not the least of which is because it explicitly is premised on “I'll be president soon” and because the brief — full of puffery (at best) — is authored by his choice for solicitor general, D. John Sauer. www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/ 24... [images]
@jeremyz: the democrats handing saving tiktok to trump is one of the more embarrassing unforced errors of the biden regime. [embedded post]
Zach Dorfman / @zachsdorfman: It's funny; I remember passionate arguments by Trump 1.0 admin officials that TikTok was a major threat to national security, and how secret intelligence—which could not be shared with the public—proved their case even more damningly. [embedded post]
Jameel Jaffer / @jameeljaffer: The brief that Trump just filed in the TikTok case is worth reading. It will certainly get read by the Justices. www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/ 24... [image]
Mike Masnick / @mmasnick: Trump asks SCOTUS to delay the effective date of the TikTok ban because he's “one of the most powerful, prolific, and influential users of social media in history” and also he “possesses the consummate dealmaking expertise...& political will to negotiate a resolution to save the platform”
Threads:
M.G. Siegler / @mgsiegler: I can't believe it's only Day Negative 23 of the new Trump administration.
M.G. Siegler / @mgsiegler: Checks (books) and (bank) balances.
X:
Sheel Mohnot / @pitdesi: Trump wanted a ban of TikTok in 2020. Jeffrey Yass, whose Susquehanna fund owns 15% of the company, donated $96M to R's this election cycle Unsurprisingly, Trump now opposes the ban. [image]
Rat King / @mikeisaac: filing injunctive relief for the Supreme Court to recognize me as a born poster [image]
Alayna Treene / @alaynatreene: The pause would allow his admin “to pursue a negotiated resolution that could prevent a nationwide shutdown of TikTok, thus preserving the First Amendment rights of tens of millions of Americans, while also addressing the government's national security concerns” Trump wrote
Matt Stoller / @matthewstoller: I like how Trump treats the Supreme Court like they work for him. https://www.bloomberg.com/...
Chris Stokel-Walker / @stokel: This is a wild switch given four years ago Trump was campaigning to ban TikTok
Jacob Huebert / @jacobhuebert: Although Trump's brief says it's “in support of neither party,” he makes clear that he opposed the TikTok ban and still does: [image]
Daniel Barnes / @dnlbrns: Trump says he alone can save TikTok from being banned in the US and urges SCOTUS to issue a stay to give him time to negotiate a deal. Doesn't get into specifics, but overturning the ban law could require action from Congress. Brief: https://www.supremecourt.gov/ ... [image]
Anupam Chander / @anupamchander: Incoming President Trump filed an amicus in the TikTok case seeking a delay in the operation of the law to give him time to resolve the matter, utilizing his “consummate dealmaking expertise”! https://www.supremecourt.gov/ ...
Steve Sosnick / @stevesosnick: @sonalibasak Jeff Yass getting something for his ~$100mm in political contributions https://washingtonpost.com/......
James Ball / @jamesrbuk: The US controls every other major platform, and US intelligence exploits that advantage globally - Snowden's NSA revelations showed that. Is the US unwilling to put up with even one platform it doesn't run, as it asks every other country to put up with controlling none?
James Ball / @jamesrbuk: Honestly, I think Trump has presented a good challenge to US securocrats on TikTok here. If TikTok is doing something so different and so dangerous, why not declassify the evidence and get it banned? Instead of keeping it secret and risking the whole thing.
James Ball / @jamesrbuk: The way it escapes looking hypocritical is claiming it has classified material that shows TikTok is way worse than everyone else. But if it wants the world to believe that - if it wants Americans to believe that - show us the receipts.
Sonali Basak / @sonalibasak: *TRUMP URGES SUPREME COURT TO PAUSE LAW THREATENING TIKTOK BAN This comes HOURS after Biden's Justice Department filed its main brief to the Supreme Court on the TikTok ban and the company filed its counter. Unless blocked, the law would take effect on Jan. 19
Raffi Melkonian / @rmfifthcircuit: Heh. An amicus brief from the president elect from the solicitor general elect(?) designate(?)
Yashar Ali / @yashar: NEWS President-elect Trump has filed an amicus brief with the Supreme Court in the TikTok matter. He has asked the court to issue a stay. If the court doesn't issue a stay and TikTok's parent company fails to find a buyer, TikTok will be banned in the United States starting on January 19.
| Todd Spangler / Variety: |
Eight free-speech groups, including the EFF, and three members of Congress file briefs with SCOTUS in support of TikTok's appeal against the divest-or-ban law — Groups alleging China's government has engaged in human-rights violations argue U.S. Constitution does not protect TikTok as “an unregistered foreign agent”More:
Stefania Palma / Financial Times: Donald Trump asks Supreme Court to delay TikTok ban to enable ‘political solution’
Khushboo Razdan / South China Morning Post: Donald Trump asks US Supreme Court to halt TikTok ban
Alex Woodward / The Independent: Trump asks Supreme Court to block TikTok ban as he considers ‘political resolution’
Samantha Willis / Virginia Mercury: Virginia Attorney General Miyares asks SCOTUS to uphold ‘divest or ban’ law against TikTok
Austin Williams / KTVU-TV: Trump urges Supreme Court to delay TikTok decision until he takes office
Raphael Satter / Reuters: Free-speech advocates tell Supreme Court US TikTok law reminiscent of dictatorships
Wendy Davis / MediaPost: Lawmakers Clash At SCOTUS Over TikTok Ban
Alden Abbott / Truth on the Market: Are TikTok's Days Numbered?
Dennis Crouch / Patently-O: TikTok - A First Look at the Briefs
Bluesky:
Marty Lederman / @martylederman: And here's the Knight Institute brief, also in opposition. [3] — www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/ 24... @knightcolumbia.org @jameeljaffer.bsky.social
Marty Lederman / @martylederman: In order to get any of the Justices to be at all sympathetic to its claim, TikTok will have to persuade them, at a minimum, that there'd be a significant harm to users if TikTok disappears. That might be difficult, b/c the Justices might simply assume ... [8]
Marty Lederman / @martylederman: I'm only discussing its constitutionality. — For those of you who haven't been following, the law doesn't *ban* TikTok—instead, it'll prohibit “app stores” and the like from offering it or servicing it after 01/19 *if* (and only if) there isn't a divestment of TikTok from PRC ownership by then. …
Marty Lederman / @martylederman: While waiting for other briefs, I'll interlineate a few thoughts and things to look for. FWIW, I think it's highly likely the SCOTUS will uphold the law. My posts here will reflect some of the reasons why I think so. I don't have any strong views on whether the law was wise. [5]
X:
Ryan Calo / @rcalo: Lots of people contributed but counsel @WillkieFarr and profs @AnupamChander @dispositive and Ash Bhagwat took the lead. (Correct me if I'm leaving folks out!) Thanks for the opportunity to work on this important intervention.
| OpenAI: |
OpenAI says its board of directors is evaluating its corporate structure, including a plan to turn its for-profit arm into a Delaware Public Benefit Corporation — A stronger non-profit supported by the for-profit's success. — OpenAI's Board of Directors is evaluating our corporate structure …
Bluesky: @kyunghyuncho and @caseynewton
X: @tsarnick, @teknium1, @miles_brundage, @openai, @miles_brundage, @danielnewmanuv, @nathanbenaich, @kchonyc, @edkrassen, @sirajraval, @chetanp, @benjamindekr, @miles_brundage, @emostaque, and @pitdesi
Forums: Hacker News, r/singularity, and Slashdot
More:
Igor Bonifacic / Engadget: OpenAI's for-profit plan includes a public benefit corporation
Kyle Wiggers / TechCrunch: Nonprofit group joins Elon Musk's effort to block OpenAI's for-profit transition
William Hicks / San Francisco Business Times: OpenAI reveals plan to convert to public benefit corporation
Kali Hays / Fortune: OpenAI confirms plans to become a for-profit company as it looks to raise even more investor money
Shirin Ghaffary / Bloomberg: OpenAI Mulls Plan for a More Conventional For-Profit Business
Taylor Herzlich / New York Post: OpenAI says it needs 'more capital than we'd imagined' as it details for-profit plan
Matthias Bastian / The Decoder: OpenAI confirms plans to transform its for-profit arm into a public benefit corporation
Reinhardt Krause / Investor's Business Daily: OpenAI Lays Out For-Profit Business Strategy Amid Microsoft Talks, Musk Feud
Dave Parrack / MakeUseOf: OpenAI Is Becoming a For-Profit Company to Ensure That AI “Benefits All of Humanity”
Todd Feathers / Gizmodo: To Further Its Mission of Benefitting Everyone, OpenAI Will Become Fully for-Profit
Tracy Brown Hamilton / Fast Company: OpenAI pivots to for-profit model to secure massive AI funding
Ramish Zafar / Wccftech: OpenAI Announces For-Profit Business Model - Will Create A Public Benefit Corporation
Stephanie Palazzolo / The Information: OpenAI Announces Plan to Become Delaware Public Benefit Corporation
William Gavin / Quartz: OpenAI may become a for-profit because it needs ‘more capital than imagined’
Pradeep Viswanathan / Neowin: OpenAI will be transforming its for-profit into a Delaware Public Benefit Corporation
Emily Dattilo / Barron's Online: OpenAI Wants to Create a ‘Public Benefit Corporation.’ Here's What That Means.
PYMNTS.com: OpenAI Board Considering Transforming For-Profit Into Delaware Public Benefit Corporation
Arsheeya Bajwa / Reuters: OpenAI lays out plan to shift to new for-profit structure
Bluesky:
@kyunghyuncho: however nicely it's put, it simply means that OpenAI is now a fully for-profit entity (yeah yeah PBC blah blah) and that the non-profit arm is just a separate entity with a small amount of shares of the for-profit entity however without any control beyond these shares. — openai.com/index/why-ou...
X:
@tsarnick: Marc Andreessen says that transitioning from a nonprofit to a for-profit like OpenAI is seeking to do is usually constrained by federal tax law and other legal regimes and historically when you appropriate a non-profit for personal wealth, you go to jail. Transitions of this [video]
@teknium1: “Our plan would create one of the best-resourced non-profits in history” Maybe i don't understand but isn't it as it is an even better resourced non profit right now then it will be? lol
Miles Brundage / @miles_brundage: First, just noting that I agree that AI is capital intensive in a way that was less clear at the time of OpenAI's founding, and that a pure non-profit didn't work given that. And given the current confusing bespoke structure, some simplification is very reasonable to consider.
@openai: OpenAI's Board of Directors is evaluating our corporate structure with the goal of making a stronger non-profit supported by the for-profit's success. Our plan would create one of the best-resourced non-profits in history. https://openai.com/...
Miles Brundage / @miles_brundage: Glad to see OpenAI sharing their latest thinking re: corporate structure, and a lot of the explanation makes sense. However, there are some red flags here that need to be urgently addressed + better explained publicly before the transition goes through.🧵
Daniel Newman / @danielnewmanuv: The developing situation at OpenAI is really interesting. Today it announced its official intent to convert to a PBC (Public Benefactor Corporation) with a dual mandate but a traditional stock/governance structure so it could more easily raise capital for its rapidly rising
Nathan Benaich / @nathanbenaich: My op-ed in the @FT on October 6, 2024: “But there is no inherent conflict between running a straightforward for-profit company and building safe, robust technology. Reckless behaviour that regulates an industry out of existence endangers profits. Companies like Google [image]
Kyunghyun Cho / @kchonyc: however nicely it's put, it simply means that OpenAI is now a fully for-profit entity (yeah yeah PBC blah blah) and that the non-profit arm is just a separate entity with a small number of shares of the for-profit entity however without any control beyond these shares.
Ed Krassenstein / @edkrassen: @OpenAI Will we see anything become open source?
Siraj Raval / @sirajraval: I appreciate how thoughtful OpenAI still is about decentralizing AI, this is a great move. “Our plan is to transform our existing for-profit into a Delaware Public Benefit Corporation”
Chetan Puttagunta / @chetanp: It really does seem like it comes down to Microsoft agreeing to changing their agreement. This is stood out to me: “It will enable us to raise the necessary capital with conventional terms like others in this space.”
Benjamin De Kraker / @benjamindekr: OpenAI becoming CLOSED AI — transitioning to a for-profit structure. Inevitable but kind of sad.
Miles Brundage / @miles_brundage: Beyond those points, though, I have serious disagreements/concerns. First, there is surprisingly little discussion of actual governance details, despite this arguably being the key issue. What will the vote/share split be between different constituencies + considerations?
| Cade Metz / New York Times: |
OpenAI says its non-profit arm would receive shares in the new public benefit corporation at a valuation determined by independent financial advisors — OpenAI said it will be restructured as a public benefit corporation, and the nonprofit that controls the organization would receive shares in the new company.Bluesky:
Justin Hendrix / @justinhendrix: “In a company blog post published on Friday, OpenAI said it planned to restructure as a public benefit corporation, or P.B.C., which is a for-profit corporation designed to create public and social good. OpenAI rivals like Anthropic and Elon Musk's xAI use a similar structure.”
| Hayden Field / CNBC: |
More:
Kyle Wiggers / TechCrunch: OpenAI lays out its for-profit transition plans
Rocket Drew / The Information: Musk Gains Another Ally in Effort to Block OpenAI For-Profit Conversion
Anusuya Lahiri / Benzinga: Sam Altman's OpenAI Plans Major Revamp Of Corporate Structure
Maria Deutscher / SiliconANGLE: Confirming reports, OpenAI details plans to turn into a for-profit company
Patrick Hosking / The Times: OpenAI restructuring will free it from non-profit parent
Bluesky:
X:
Miles Brundage / @miles_brundage: Third, while there is a ton of potential for a well-capitalized non-profit to drive “charitable initiatives in sectors such as health care, education, and science,” that is a very narrow scope relative to the original OpenAI mission. What about advancing safety and good policy?
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| Bloomberg: |
Montenegro says Terraform Labs co-founder Do Kwon will be extradited to the US, potentially ending a standoff over competing demands by the US and South Korea — “Most criteria envisaged by the law are in favor of the extradition demands from the institutions of the United States of America …
X: @aosipovich, @wublockchain, @zguz, and @coryklippsten
More:
Jacqueline Howard / BBC: S Korean crypto-boss Do Kwon to be extradited to US
Emma Roth / The Verge: Do Kwon will be extradited to the US to face charges over Terra's $40 billion crypto crash
MK Manoylov / The Block: The Daily: IRS finalizes tax rule requiring ‘DeFi brokers’ to collect user trading information, Do Kwon's US extradition and more
Brenda Ngari / ZyCrypto: Montenegro Justice Minister Approves Extradition Of Fallen Crypto Star Do Kwon To the U.S.
Murtuza Merchant / Benzinga: Terra Luna Co-Founder Do Kwon To Be Extradited To The US: Report
Naga Avan-Nomayo / crypto.news: Montenegrin Minister orders Do Kwon's US extradtion
Daria Sito-Sucic / Reuters: Montenegro orders extradition of Terraform lab co-founder Do Kwon to United States
Joshua Ramos / Watcher Guru: Terra Luna Founder Do Kwon to be Extradited to the US
CityNews Halifax: Montenegro approves the extradition of cryptocurrency mogul Do Kwon to the United States
Mohammad Shahid / BeInCrypto: Breaking Terraform Labs Founder Do Kwon Will be Extradited to the United States
Mehron Rokhy / The Daily Hodl: Do Kwon Set To Be Extradited to the US After Losing Appeal in Montenegrin Constitutional Court: Report
Choi Kyong-ae / Yonhap News Agency: Montenegrin gov't to extradite crypto fugitive Kwon to U.S. for trial: report
Pedro Solimano / DL News: Terra's Do Kwon to be sent to US to face trial on fraud charges, minister says
Nidhi Kolhapur / Coinpedia Fintech News: Montenegro Signs Extradition Order For Do Kwon To The United States
Godfrey Benjamin / CoinGape: Just In: LUNA's Founder Do Kwon To Be Extradited To The US
Reza Ali / Blockchain News: Montenegro Approves Do Kwon's Extradition to U.S. Over Terra-Luna Collapse
Borislav Visnjic / Balkan Insight: Montenegro to Extradite South Korean Crypto Mogul to US
Chimamanda U. Martha / Coinspeaker: Montenegro Court Finally Approves Do Kwon Extradition to United States
X:
Alexander Osipovich / @aosipovich: Montenegro's justice minister has issued a decision to extradite Do Kwon to the US rather than South Korea, after more than a year and a half of legal wrangling; Terra/Luna creator faces charges from same NY federal prosecutors office that went after SBF https://www.wsj.com/...
Wu Blockchain / @wublockchain: Vijesti confirms that the Minister of Justice of Montenegro has signed a decision ordering the extradition of Do Kwon to the United States, refusing to extradite him to the Republic of Korea, where authorities believe Do Kwon lied to investors and is suspected of hiding his [image]
| Reuters: |
Experts say hackers compromised several companies' Chrome browser extensions, including Cyberhaven's, in a series of intrusions dating back to mid-December — Hackers have compromised several different companies' Chrome browser extensions in a series of intrusions dating back to mid-December …
Bluesky: @metacurity.com, @zackwhittaker, and @mattjay.com
X: @jaimeblascob, @swiftonsecurity, @jaimeblascob, @swiftonsecurity, @swiftonsecurity, @jaimeblascob, @swiftonsecurity, @jaimeblascob, and @swiftonsecurity. LinkedIn: Or Eshed. Forums: Slashdot
More:
Maria Deutscher / SiliconANGLE: Hackers compromise Chrome extensions with 400,000+ users
Matt Johansen / Vulnerable U: Breaking: Cyberhaven Chrome Extension Compromised in Holiday Attack Campaign
Daryna Antoniuk / The Record: Cyber startup employee hacked to distribute malicious Chrome extension
Bluesky:
Cynthia Brumfield / @metacurity.com: Clearly, the cybersecurity world did not get the memo that the days between Christmas and New Year's is a no-news zone. [embedded post]
Zack Whittaker / @zackwhittaker: New, w/ @lorenzofb.bsky.social: Data-loss prevention startup Cyberhaven was hacked to publish a malicious update to its Chrome extension, affecting potentially thousands of users. A security researcher says other big Chrome extensions were hacked in the same campaign. — techcrunch.com/2024/12/27/c...
Matt Johansen / @mattjay.com: An attacker successfully phished a Cyberhaven employee. — They gained access to their Chrome Web Store admin credentials and published a malicious version of the Cyberhaven extension. — Read my full writeup here: — www.vulnu.com/p/breaking-c... Thanks @jaimeblascob.bsky.social and @johntuckner.me
X:
Jaime Blasco / @jaimeblascob: Regarding the Cyberhaven chrome extension compromise I have reasons to believe there are other extensions affected. Pivoting by the ip address there are more domains created within the same time range resolving to the same ip address as cyberhavenext[.]pro (cont)
@swiftonsecurity: Credentials: I have for years decried Google's governance of their extension ecosystem. I have caused two different news cycles about it. Extension compromise is an insane issue because it lets you bypass MFA. This has to be addressed.
Jaime Blasco / @jaimeblascob: VPNCity chrome extension also affected https://chromewebstore.google.com/ ... more than 50k users.
@swiftonsecurity: The thing about Chrome extensions manifest V3 is it actually is desperately needed, it's unfortunate some forces possibly used it to limit adblocking on the side. However it will still mostly work I am not concerned.
@swiftonsecurity: Note when I say I'm not concerned I mean regarding efficacy of preventing most traditional malvertising against corporate users. About ability to stop like YouTube ads I have no comment.
Jaime Blasco / @jaimeblascob: parrottalks extension also affected (40k users) kkodiihpgodmdankclfibbiphjkfdenh https://chromewebstore.google.com/ ... [image]
@swiftonsecurity: As someone who actually came up in prominence around Firefox extensions, browser extensions are truly insane basically rootkits for the online age. It is shocking what they can do to your life if any of them decide to not be nice one day.
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| Greg Otto / CyberScoop: |
The US says it has identified a ninth telecom company impacted by the Salt Typhoon hacks, and the number of individuals directly impacted is “less than 100” — In an update Friday, the White House says nine telecom companies were impacted by the Chinese espionage effort. — Learn more.
Bluesky: @metacurity.com and @gregotto
More:
Eric Tucker / Associated Press: A 9th telecoms firm has been hit by a massive Chinese espionage campaign, the White House says
Richard Lawler / The Verge: Salt Typhoon breach update.
Martin Matishak / The Record: US adds 9th telecom company to list of known Salt Typhoon targets
Matt Milano / WebProNews: Ninth Telecom Compromised In Salt Typhoon Attack
A.J. Vicens / Reuters: US adds 9th telcom to list of companies hacked by Chinese-backed Salt Typhoon cyberespionage
Rosie Perper / Politico: Chinese hackers used broad telco access to geolocate millions of Americans and record phone calls
Francesca Chambers / USA Today: White House urges crackdown on US telecoms after massive Chinese hack
Bluesky:
X:
Ryan Rasins / @ryanrasins: Crazy to me that the worst cyber attack in American history has gone pretty much entirely under the radar. The Chinese are probably reading your texts *and listening to your calls* https://www.politico.com/... [image]
Alexei Bulazel / @0xalexei: Months after revelation of Salt Typhoon, one of the biggest hacks of US critical infrastructure this decade, we get: - @FCC regulations that will take months to years to implement - @USGSA review of federal contracts - @CommerceGov might block China Telecom but TBD Too little,
| Angrej Singh / Axios: |
Some conservative critics of Elon Musk allege censorship and claim they were stripped of their X verification badges after challenging his views on H-1B visas — - Since Musk purchased Twitter and implemented sweeping staff cuts, it's often been difficult to get answers as to whether …
Bluesky: @wajali, @wajali, @mmasnick, @mmasnick, @keithedwards, @aaronparnas, and @andrewjweinstein.com
X: @elonmusk, @growing_daniel, @willchamberlain, @sm, @aja_cortes, @devahaz, @buccocapital, @buccocapital, @levie, @danprimack, @mattyglesias, @mattbruenig, @basedtorba, @freemattkim, @noahpinion, @lauraloomer, @alexberenson, @elonmusk, @endwokeness, @stevelovesammo, @scottadamssays, @lauraloomer, @basedtorba, @basedtorba, @basedtorba, @basedtorba, @basedtorba, @basedtorba, @raheemkassam, @realmichaelseif, @basedtorba, @notpbd, @scottadamssays, @scottadamssays, @marionawfal, @scobleizer, @lynaldencontact, @matthewstoller, @lauraloomer, @redsteeze, @elonmusk, @alexberenson, @paulbernaluk, @sweetser_kyle, @harrylotuseater, @elonmusk, @plzbepatient, @plzbepatient, @elijahschaffer, @catturd2, @stclairashley, @cernovich, @lauraloomer, @shawn_farash, @stclairashley, @stillgray, @bannons_warroom, @pastordscott, @ronfilipkowski, @punk9059, @dogrightgirl, @scottadamssays, @elonmusk, @elonmusk, @lauraloomer, @lauraloomer, @elonmusk, @elonmusk, @lauraloomer, @lauraloomer, @lauraloomer, @lauraloomer, @johnmccloy, @lauraloomer, @gavinwax, @lauraloomer, @rl9631, @lauraloomer, @lauraloomer, @cb_doge, @ronfilipkowski, @dril, @elonmusk, @lauraloomer, @lauraloomer, @elonmusk, @gavinwax, @autismcapital, @conservativeog, @owenshroyer1776, @elonmusk, @dreamleaf5, @adamkinzinger, @libsoftiktok, @antoniogm, @raheemkassam, @marionawfal, @theprestonparra, @gavinwax, @owenshroyer1776, @repmtg, @lauraloomer, and @p_kallioniemi
Forums: r/FreeSpeech and r/KnowledgeFight
More:
David Ingram / NBC News: Elon Musk accused of censoring conservatives on X who disagree with him about immigration
Stephen Council / SFGATE: How Bay Area tech landed in middle of Elon Musk's first big MAGA fight
Charlie Nash / Mediaite: Elon Musk's Critics Stripped of Verification Badge After Publicly Challenging Billionaire: ‘The Beginning Stages of Censorship’
New York Times: Trump Backers, Including Elon Musk, Clash With Far Right Over Immigrant Workers and H-1B Visas
Alana Mastrangelo / Breitbart: Elon Musk Brings Back Shadowbanning, Conservatives Report Loss of Verification Following H-1B Fracas
Malcolm Ferguson / New Republic: Elon Musk's Newest Critics on X Just Paid the Price
Peter Kafka / Business Insider: Elon Musk has a new role in US politics — and his erratic style is unchanged
Katherine Doyle / NBC News: Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy open rift with MAGA loyalists over skilled worker visas
Andrew Torba / Gab News: The H-1B Immigration Debate: A Clash of Worlds and Values
Jeff Charles / Townhall: Scott Jennings Has Some Thoughts About Vivek Ramaswamy's Tweet Calling Americans Lazy, Mediocre
Kelly Rissman / The Independent: Trump shares bizarre Truth Social post claiming Bill Gates asked to come to Mar-a-Lago
Kari Donovan / Stephen K Bannon's War Room: Laura Loomer vs. Tech Elites: A Warning for the Trump Campaign
AJ Dellinger / Gizmodo: Elon Musk Agrees With Tweet Saying Americans Aren't Smart Enough for Tech Jobs
Gitanjali Poonia / Deseret News: MAGA infighting over legal immigration goes online
Brad Reed / Raw Story: ‘Going to blow up in their face’: Laura Loomer warns Trump transition about embracing Musk
The Independent: MAGA backlash as Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy defend visa program for skilled workers: Live updates
Travis Gettys / Raw Story: 'That's one take': CNN host gives ‘side eye’ to GOP strategist's analysis of MAGA clash
Matthew Chapman / Raw Story: ‘Scam by the oligarchs!’ Steve Bannon piles on Elon Musk in MAGA civil war
Atrios / Eschaton: MAGA Meltdown — I am still in a bit of holiday mode, but the abbreviated version …
Ahmad Austin Jr / Mediaite: FLASHBACK: Steve Bannon Labeled Elon Musk a ‘War Profiteer’ Who Would Take a Check ‘From Adolf Hitler Himself’
Brian Niemietz / New York Daily News: Elon Musk causes stir with post insulting American tech workers, supporting H-1B visas
Lalee Ibssa / ABC News: Musk and Ramaswamy spar with Trump supporters over support for H-1B work visas
Phillip Molnar / Sun-Sentinel: Should the U.S. increase immigration levels for highly skilled workers?
Samantha-Jo Roth / Washington Examiner: Trump base splits over Musk and Ramaswamy's support for foreign worker visas
Aimee Picchi / CBS News: Musk and Ramaswamy are sparking a debate over the H-1B visa. Here's what to know about the visa.
David Brooks / New York Times: Why the New Fight Inside MAGA Matters So Much
Bryan Brunati / RADAR: Trump Fans Turn On Elon Musk and Accuse Him of ‘Removing X Checkmarks as Retaliation’ After Billionaire Gets Brutal Backlash Over Visa Dispute
Griffin Eckstein / Salon: “Dire shortage”: Elon Musk sparks MAGA backlash after calling for more immigrant workers
Ben Blanchet / HuffPost: Nikki Haley Rips Vivek Ramaswamy's ‘Mediocrity’ Talk: ‘Nothing Wrong With American Workers’
Alex Wilhelm / Cautious Optimism: The OpenAI corporate revamp seems pretty reasonable
John Cole / Balloon Juice: Clown Fight at the Dipshit Corral
Tomoki Chien / The San Francisco Standard: Tech clashes with far-right MAGA in weird online battle over skilled work visas
The Post Millennial: ‘America first means the American people first’: Tech industry clashes with MAGA base on H-1B visa debate
Tom Boggioni / Raw Story: ‘A horrible decision’: Ramaswamy pounced on by ex-college classmate for ‘culture’ rant
Malcolm Ferguson / New Republic: Elon Musk's Biggest Fans Turn Against Him Over Immigration
Naomi LaChance / Rolling Stone: Musk, Vivek Face MAGA Uproar After Saying Tech Firms Need Foreign Workers
Brad Reed / Raw Story: Elon Musk's X moves to punish Trump ally after she lobs corruption allegations at him
Ted Johnson / Deadline: “That Pretty Much Sums It Up”: Elon Musk Defends H-1B Visas Amid Split Between Trump Tech Bros And MAGA ‘Right Right’
Griffin Eckstein / Salon: “Divorce is coming soon”: MAGA civil war erupts after Trump allies accuse Elon Musk of “censorship”
Alex Griffing / Mediaite: Laura Loomer Slams Elon Musk to Bannon: ‘We Need to Protect President Trump’
Justin Baragona / The Independent: MAGA civil war ramps up as Trump ally Laura Loomer lays into Elon Musk — and loses her blue check
Dave Winer / Scripting News: The problem with everyone who says you have to get off Twitter is that we're giving …
Alex Henderson / Alternet.org: ‘Trolling for attention’: MAGA conspiracy theorist ramps up ‘virulent’ attacks on Trump ally
Christiaan Hetzner / Fortune: Trump's MAGA base is turning on Elon Musk after he said he wants to import more skilled workers
Alison Durkee / Forbes: What Are H-1B Visas? The Immigration Policy Dividing Elon Musk And Trump's Allies Explained
Paul Ingrassia / The Gateway Pundit: What Elon and Vivek Get Wrong About The H-1B Visa Debate
Oliver Willis / Daily Kos: MAGA world is at war after DOGE bros back immigration expansion
Diana Glebova / New York Post: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy in fiery spat with MAGA allies over foreign worker visas: ‘Essential for America to keep winning’
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Wajahat Ali / @wajali: Glad MAGA voters are hearing what Musk, Vivek, and the elites of the GOP think of them. They've always looked down on Trump voters. They mock them as stupid and ignorant behind their backs. Now Musk is calling them “contemptible fools.” — Well, here's your new master, MAGA. Enjoy.
Mike Masnick / @mmasnick: It's very easy to classify anything you don't like as “spam.” As Elon is doing here. But once you've started down that slope you've already admitted you recognize the need to moderate *some* content. It's just a question of where you draw the borders.
Mike Masnick / @mmasnick: That one weird trick that lets you pretend that you took over Twitter to restore free speech, but regularly ban/shadowban/deboost those you don't like: just claim anything you don't like is spam. [image]
Keith Edwards / @keithedwards: The Musk/MAGA divorce was just as racist, stupid, and entertaining as I thought it would be
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Elon Musk / @elonmusk: Just a reminder that the algorithm is trying to maximize unregretted user-seconds. If far more credible, verified subscriber accounts (not bots) mute/block your account compared to those who like your posts, your reach will decline significantly.
Daniel / @growing_daniel: The weird thing about the h1b debate is nobody in tech seems bothered by it. It's all outsiders supposedly trying to protect the value of labor that doesn't want to be protected
Will Chamberlain / @willchamberlain: Imagine speaking this way about the guy who spent 44 billion on a platform, restored your account, and allowed you to gain a million followers Oh, and the same guy who put the biggest fortune in the world on the line to elect the guy you support Whatever you think about [image]
Sara Mauskopf / @sm: Ok I resisted weighing in to the H-1B visa debate but I can't help myself because the current framing IS SO DUMB and I NEED TO CORRECT THINGS. People are debating whether we should allow highly skilled workers into the U.S. or prioritize hiring American workers only. But this
@aja_cortes: Elon being an immigrant himself is never going to react well to “FUCK IMMIGRANTS” His lifes ambition was to come to the USA and build, which he has more than any Man alive. he made the ultimate Skin in the game bet with the election and now he seeing people he fought for
Deva Hazarika / @devahaz: Kinda crazy these tweets are less than two months apart. We'll see similar changes in tone from some people when “good” immigrants they know get deported. [image]
@buccocapital: His point was that conservatives lack imagination. The older I get the more I find that to be true. Misfortune and hatred make us all kinder, and force us to question our assumptions, when they hit close to home
@buccocapital: A mentor once told me: “The famous saying is that 'If you're not a liberal when you're young you have no heart. And if you're not a conservative when you're older you have no brain.' But really everyone's a conservative till someone they know gets fucked over” [image]
Aaron Levie / @levie: Trump's own stated views on high skilled immigration are very pro tech [video]
Dan Primack / @danprimack: It wasn't hard to predict that there would be a “tech MAGA/traditional MAGA” fissure on immigration. @imkialikethecar from July: https://www.axios.com/...
Matthew Yglesias / @mattyglesias: If a major Dem donor called the American people “retarded,” it would receive extensive coverage in progressive media about how bad and corrupt Democrats are which would fuel mainstream media coverage and it would be a huge deal. Musk does it and conservative media doesn't care. [image]
Matt Bruenig / @mattbruenig: @mattyglesias I do always get a kick out of the conservative pitch to the working class: the libs think you are reactionary bigots while we merely think you are culturally degenerate and stupid
Andrew Torba / @basedtorba: You know you're winning the argument when you have to alter the algo, lock accounts, and remove verification badges of the people you're debating lmao
Matt Kim / @freemattkim: EVERYONE!!! don't panic. The removal of verification badges and monetization of dissenting voices to Elon was just a glitch. He's got his top 0.1% Indian engineers working on it!
Laura Loomer / @lauraloomer: We aren't alienating @elonmusk. We want to have a conversation with him but he limits the convo by deleting our check marks and by calling trolls and subtards. I'd be happy to have a conversation, but he limited my account. That's a bad faith effort at conversation & debate.
Alex Berenson / @alexberenson: So @LauraLoomer is a nutty fabulist. And @elonmusk doesn't have to pay her. Not sharing revenue is not censoring her. But suspending her on a pretext, even temporarily, IS. She didn't dox - the record is public. I hope Elon realizes Laura and her ilk are the price of free speech
Elon Musk / @elonmusk: At risk of starting the obvious, there are many attention-seeking trolls on all social media platforms trying to yank your chain. They win if you respond.
@endwokeness: We can debate and have dialogue but it would be foolish to alienate Elon in the process. Look how that turned out for the left.
Steve / @stevelovesammo: Tell me again how this wasn't a psyop. They're terrified and are trying to fracture this Trump Presidency. Don't let them. [image]
Laura Loomer / @lauraloomer: I mean right after @elonmusk called me a troll today, my account verification was taken away, my subscriptions were deactivated and I was banned from being able to buy premium even though I was already paying for premium. Clearly retaliation.
Andrew Torba / @basedtorba: Any notion of free speech on this platform is dead as of today. Although it never really existed to begin with. You know where you have “freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach?” Prison.
Andrew Torba / @basedtorba: Elon raised $6 billion dollars from Blackrock and other usual suspects last week and now he's on the timeline calling Americans retards, changing the algo, removing checkmarks, and locking people out of their accounts. Curious.
Andrew Torba / @basedtorba: Look I get the game and mean no disrespect, but I have never expected the “big influencers” to move to Gab and think they should stay and fight on X for as long as they can. You are of course always welcome and have a refuge when needed! Gab is community funded by our users. I
Andrew Torba / @basedtorba: Let the H-1Bs pay for X premium. Americans are too “lazy, unskilled, and subtarded.”
Raheem / @raheemkassam: Bad faith actors with huge legacy accounts mass block/mute those of us who stand up for anything on here. The algorithm rewards tepid, unchallenging, compromise positions.
Michael Seifert / @realmichaelseif: I deleted my tweet about X removing our blue check on the @officialpsq page after I was just told by insiders at X that this is a systems issue and not at all malicious. Hoping it gets resolved quickly.
Andrew Torba / @basedtorba: He's declaring war on us btw. Should go over well for him as it has for everyone else who has tried. [image]
@notpbd: A lot of “Right wing” people are going after Elon Musk, Vivek, and Kash Patel now. Don't do that. You look dumb.
Scott Adams / @scottadamssays: The foreign workers debate on X has been great. We fight. We learn something. We correct course. Trump watches and absorbs. And we did it by entertaining ourselves and getting smarter at the same time. America's Golden Age
Scott Adams / @scottadamssays: MAGA is taking a page from Democrats on how to lose elections while feeling good about themselves.
Mario Nawfal / @marionawfal: X FOCUSING ON USER SATISFACTION—BLOCKED ACCOUNTS LOSE REACH Elon just revealed X's content strategy—if verified users block you more than they follow you, say goodbye to your reach. The platform's AI now aims to maximize “unregretted user-seconds.” Translation? Being
Robert Scoble / @scobleizer: It is true. This is why my reach is low. Most people don't care about AI and innovation and others decided I am not worth listening to because of my past, or because some billionaire said that I should be shunned. Or because I post too much. The thing is I am here to learn. I
Lyn Alden / @lynaldencontact: Or there could be an algorithm marketplace where users create and/or pick their own algorithms. Nostr has that. Would be cool to have it here too.
Matt Stoller / @matthewstoller: It's almost like a social credit score
Laura Loomer / @lauraloomer: Elon is creating a new algorithm to deal with the feisty jewess during Hanukkah. Who defines what “far more credible is”? China?
Stephen L. Miller / @redsteeze: Rewarding massive block lists seems like a mistake but like I said he mostly makes this all up as he goes.
Alex Berenson / @alexberenson: No, @elonmusk doesn't have to let you make money off X, subscriptions are optional. Free speech is not. I don't even care if you libel people, that's between you and their lawyers (and 230 protects X). Free speech is what counts - Elon should let you embarrass yourself.
Prof Paul Bernal / @paulbernaluk: In case anyone hasn't realised it until now, Elon Musk has never really been interested in free speech. The test of your commitment to free speech isn't whether you defend your friends' speech, but whether you support that of your enemies.
Kyle Sweetser / @sweetser_kyle: Will Musk end up being the destroyer of MAGA?
Harry Robinson / @harrylotuseater: ‘Free speech is when people agree with me, all else will be silenced.’ That didn't take long.
@plzbepatient: @elonmusk Calling Americans retarded and untrainable and requiring importing entry level engineers from foreign countries is wanting America to lose for their own personal gain.
@plzbepatient: @elonmusk @AutismCapital Ah yes calling us all retarded. Great job Elon. Trump isn't even inaugurated and the base hates you.
@elijahschaffer: They are being so disingenuous w/ their framing of the H1B argument The American people were not against some H1B immigration from Western nations What we are against is mass H1B abuse flooding our nation w/ non westerners for entry level positions that drive down wages
@catturd2: I went to bed early last night and didn't find this out until this morning .... Laura Loomer has been demonetized, her subscriptions taken away, her verification and X premium removed, and was given a 12 hour suspension. She'll be able to tweet again in about 4 hours.
Ashley St. Clair / @stclairashley: You can disagree with Laura Loomer. I do often. You can even (not that I would) justify demonetizing her because “advertisers don't want their content next to her” But to remove her 2500+ subscribers is insane and personal. These are people that were choosing to individually
@cernovich: Multiple accounts that never posted about H-1B are having blue checks removed. Looks like something else, not some retaliation or what others suggested.
Laura Loomer / @lauraloomer: .@Cernovich is running cover for @elonmusk who just admitted he retaliated against conservative accounts tonight that criticized H1B visas. He said “Yes” when @MarioNawfal said “play stupid games, win stupid prizes” right after several accounts, including mine were targeted. [image]
Shawn Farash / @shawn_farash: Any accounts affiliated w @ConservativeOG lost their blue check because “Conservative OG” no longer is a gold check “verified org” anymore so what happened was: “Conservative OG” affiliate badges no longer showed up on their affiliates' pages. This counts as a change to your
Ashley St. Clair / @stclairashley: It was MAGA who bought 𝕏 premium en masse to keep this platform alive.
Ian Miles Cheong / @stillgray: They were all affiliates of ConservativeOG. The account is apparently having issues with its gold checkmark so everyone affiliated to it lost their affiliate status and thus the blue checkmark was temporarily removed (will be reinstated). This happens when you're removed as an
@bannons_warroom: “After Doing Everything In Their Power To Keep President Trump From Getting Elected The Big Tech Executives Want A Seat At The Table.” @LauraLoomer Warns Of Sinister Agenda From Tech Billionaires [video]
@pastordscott: Actually, @elonmusk didn't “take away” anybody's “free speech”. He just said “I'll be damned if somebody is gonna make money off of MY platform dogging me out”. He didn't “put anyone off” of X, he just stopped PAYING them.
Ron Filipkowski / @ronfilipkowski: Wow, last night the Free Speech Absolutist removed the blue checks, changed the algo to crush their engagement, and removed the ability to get subscriptions, from dozens of big MAGA accounts who criticized him including Loomer. [image]
@punk9059: Seeing Elon get rid of the blue check/payments/subs for people who openly disagree and attack him feels like the opposite of the free speech platform he says he's for. The real test of free speech is how well you deal with people who disagree w you.
Elon Musk / @elonmusk: @ScottAdamsSays Coordinated reply spammers/scammers are out in force. They are getting nuked as we speak.
Laura Loomer / @lauraloomer: BREAKING: 🚨🚨🚨 @elonmusk has removed my blue check mark on X because I dared to question his support for H1B visas, the replacement of American tech workers by Indian immigrants, and I questioned his relationship with China. Looks like Elon Musk is going to be silencing me [image]
Laura Loomer / @lauraloomer: Elon Musk @elonmusk wanting to quell conversation on a platform he owns that thrives off of people having nonstop conversations tells you everything you need to know. 🎯 I rest my case. Signed, Trump loving, America First attention seeking troll ❤️🇺🇸
Elon Musk / @elonmusk: Another way of putting it is that the algorithm is trying to maximize probable long-term user-seconds
Elon Musk / @elonmusk: This is the right position for those who want America to win. For those who want America to lose for their own personal gain, I have no respect. Zero.
Laura Loomer / @lauraloomer: My 12 hour suspension is now over. For raising concerns and speaking the truth about the technocratic takeover of our country and the White House via influence peddling by billionaire crony technocrats, I have been stripped of my Premium account, blue check, & my subscriptions! [image]
Laura Loomer / @lauraloomer: I have now also been banned from being able to purchase premium. We are always told to buy premium. But if you criticize immigration you get your premium check taken away and you also get banned from being able to buy Premium. Pure censorship. MAGA has been silenced. [image]
Laura Loomer / @lauraloomer: How are we having an open debate when people who called out H1B (including me) just had their verifications taken away by X? This is censorship @VivekGRamaswamy Not open debate. @elonmusk has taken away my verified account and canceled all of my subscriptions. “Open debate” [image]
Laura Loomer / @lauraloomer: After putting me on a 12 hr suspension, removing my blue check mark & banning my subscriptions, @x is now classifying replies from my followers as “spam”. Big tech thinks you're spam if you agree with me on H1B visas & Silicon Valley influence peddling. Why, @elonmusk? [image]
@johnmccloy: Here is @LauraLoomer on Bannon this afternoon saying she is concerned that Democrats may use the perception to create a narrative that big tech is buying influence & enriching themselves. “ I just want to be able to have an open dialogue” [video]
Laura Loomer / @lauraloomer: .@VivekGRamaswamy The technocratic state is more dangerous than the administrative state. Your silence on the censorship of those who wanted to put a limit on the power of big tech is deafening. DOGE can't be allowed to be utilized as a vanity project to enrich Silicon Valley.
Gavin Mario Wax / @gavinwax: Waiting for the Tech Bros to fight for a new law that makes the H1B postings private. They will call it an “algorithm adjustment” to the legislation or something stupid.
Laura Loomer / @lauraloomer: Very sad to see President Trump's most loyal supporters treated so badly @JDVance. You & Trump have both said we need to end H1B visas. So why is it ok for @elonmusk to ban my premium access & delete my subscriptions as an independent journalist simply because I don't want H1B?
Renata / @rl9631: This is putting President Trump in a terrible spot. @realDonaldTrump What is going on? 👇
Laura Loomer / @lauraloomer: BREAKING: @elonmusk has now also taken away my character limit so I can't post longer posts. I paid for premium too. He locked my ability to have premium after taking away my blue check tonight. So much for free speech. [image]
Laura Loomer / @lauraloomer: To those of you getting messages saying that I deactivated my X subscriptions, that's a lie. I didn't. @elonmusk took away my premium account tonight, limited my character limit, & canceled my subscriptions because I spoke out about mass migration. It's retaliatory censorship. [image]
@cb_doge: They freely criticize Elon Musk on his own platform, yet claim there's no free speech here. The irony is unreal.
Ron Filipkowski / @ronfilipkowski: Petty Elon gets his revenge on MAGA critics. [image]
Wint / @dril: what if everyones profile just had two buttons you could click on if you want to either see their posts or not see their posts
Elon Musk / @elonmusk: @ScottAdamsSays Yes. And those contemptible fools must be removed from the Republican Party, root and stem.
Laura Loomer / @lauraloomer: Sad to see. @elonmusk is now referring to MAGA as “contemptible fools”. DEPLORABLES LISTLESS VESSELS GARBAGE AND NOW.... CONTEMPTIBLE FOOLS The Trump base is being replaced by Big Tech executives. So sad to see this. @realDonaldTrump I feel so sad for MAGA.
Laura Loomer / @lauraloomer: Full censorship of my account simply because I called out H1B visas. This is anti-American behavior by tech oligarchs. What happened to free speech?
Gavin Mario Wax / @gavinwax: My verification badge is now under review. Weird! Didn't change anything.
@autismcapital: So basically the right split into two factions, tech right and right right, and the tech right is like “hey we need h-1b visa people to do the jobs,” and the right right was like “no you need to hire americans,” and the tech right is like “but you guys are retarded,” and the [image]
@conservativeog: All of our influencers have now lost verification status, as well as our own page. Our brand did nothing. We spoke out against HB1 visas and it appears that @elonmusk intentionally shut us down? Is this the new status quo from America's “most free” social media platform? [image]
Owen Shroyer / @owenshroyer1776: I just lost my verification...was told my account is “under review”. Anyone know what's going on?
Elon Musk / @elonmusk: That said, any accounts found to be engaged in coordinated attacks to spam target accounts with mute/blocks will themselves be categorized - correctly - as spam. Live by the spam, die by the spam.
@dreamleaf5: Elon is revoking blue checks from several prominent right wing accounts because they criticized his support for Indian tech worker immigrants. 👀 🍿🍿🍿 [image]
Adam Kinzinger / @adamkinzinger: So @elonmusk stripped the blue check because someone hurt his feelings? Dude lay off the ketamine, talk to a therapist, help the poor, retire, talk to your kids, and grow up. He going to keep strangling this place. If you love him great, but don't pretend he's for free speech
Antonio García Martínez / @antoniogm: As a meta-comment, it's fascinating to see this debate play out live, in the gladiatorial arena, with near-zero meddling from the content moderation people or the mainstream media. The national agora at internet scale is here. Everything else is a sideshow.
Mario Nawfal / @marionawfal: Translation: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Preston Parra / @theprestonparra: Woah, @elonmusk just stripped our entire organization of badges and verified org status. I guess this is what you get when you hand the keys over to an autistic, power-hungry, self-aggrandizing traitor to his country. Very pathetic, X sucks! [image]
Gavin Mario Wax / @gavinwax: Insane that blue checks are being removed from accounts that have been vocal in their criticism of the H1B racket. Horrible look. I've supported Elon and X. Anyone who was at the @NYYRC gala can attest that I dedicated a large portion of my speech to praising Elon. Sad!
Owen Shroyer / @owenshroyer1776: Update on the current situation with censorship on X. Yes, I said it. Censorship on X... [video]
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene / @repmtg: Good gracious, I came out of Christmas bliss to see arguments about American labor vs H1-B imported labor and MAGA split over this issue. Good, that means everyone is engaged in saving this country. Here is some tough reality for some of you: There are some big MAGA voices
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TSMC says it has started mass production at its first factory in Japan, located in Kumamoto, producing 12nm to 28nm chips for use in cars and image sensors — Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. said Friday it has started mass production at its first factory in Japan … X:
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Meta expects AI-generated characters to “generate and share content” and “over time, exist on our platforms”, similarly to regular accounts — US tech group is rolling out a range of artificial intelligence tools to drive engagement
Bluesky: @chadloder, @mollytaft.com, @minimaxir, @theopriestley.com, @mumbly-joe, and @lukaszolejnik
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Chad Loder / @chadloder: Humanity's planetary-scale communication platforms are all designed by the same psychologists who design the casino floor experience.
Molly Taft / @mollytaft.com: no further sign of tech executive brain rot re: AI than meta making this announcement like it's something exciting that people actually want. everyone i have talked to this holiday season hates how much slop is on social media. i have barely been on instagram recently bc of it
Jesse Singal Vapes Piss / @mumbly-joe: Pretty astonishing for a company that has long insisted on a “real names” policy to curb inauthentic accounts [embedded post]
Lukasz Olejnik / @lukaszolejnik: The future is social media filled with AI-powered bots? At least according to Meta's AI vision? Would you consider it useful to interact with artificial, inauthentic agents? This may be useful, for example threading bots, image generators. www.ft.com/content/9118... [image]
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Sam Altman / @sama: algorithmic feeds are the first at-scale misaligned AIs
Rat King / @mikeisaac: sam could be right here if this is in regards to this meta interview this idea is essentially a self-enrichment mechanism for meta platforms to never have the problem of running out of posts the question is if (or when) it starts churning out a never-ending loop of garbage [image]
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OpenAI is tripling the size of its DC policy team to 12 and beefing up its lobbying as it tries to promote a sweeping plan for cheaper energy to data centers — The AI industry wants Trump's Washington to embrace it as a bulwark against China. OpenAI is trying to lead the pack.| Natasha Mascarenhas / The Information: |
Bookkeeping startup Bench, which raised $100M+ including from Shopify, closes down effective immediately; several employees say Bench also laid off staff — Bench, a Vancouver, Canada-based bookkeeping startup that had raised more than $100 million from well-known venture capital firms …
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@levelsio: Another founder kicked out by their VCs You never hear this so common story because people are tied by NDAs or scared to get sued Know that when you raise money you give up full control, important to choose well who you give that full control to
Lulu Cheng Meservey / @lulumeservey: “Dear Bench customer, we regret to inform you that we will be shutting down Bench services.” Weapons-grade corpo speak Totally soulless managerial pablum Surest sign the founder is no longer there [image]
Ana Mostarac / @anammostarac: It's far easier for a founding CEO to learn leadership than for a hired CEO to develop a founder mindset. Important lesson from the ousted founder of Bench, which just abruptly shut down. Bench raised more than $100m in venture funding, and at one point employed more than 650
@kepano: The accounting tool @Bench shut down with no warning 3 days before the end of the year. They had raised $110m in venture capital. The app is no longer accessible. There will be a way to export your data, but it's not available yet. File over app is not just for individuals. [image]
Ian Crosby / @ianwcrosby: @Bench 3/8 The board member thanked me for bringing the company to this point, but that they would be hiring a new professional CEO to “take the company to the next level.”
Brandon Hall / @bhallcpa: Another unfortunate example of outsiders thinking you can fully automate accounting. Bench, and those similar, have an unscalable model. Why? To have a large enough TAM and attract VC investments, they must charge rock bottom prices. Otherwise they become unaffordable to many [image]
Ayman Al-Abdullah / @aymanalabdul: Business is tough, but @Bench CEO has ZERO excuse for not giving employees, customers, and stakeholders advance warning and a proper transition plan Neglecting this isn't just a mistake—it's reputation-ending Leadership means accountability
Ian Crosby / @ianwcrosby: 1/8 I'm very sad today to see that @Bench has shut down. I've avoided speaking publicly about Bench since just over 3 years ago when I was fired from the company I co-founded. I still don't have a lot of appetite to talk about it tbh, but think at least a short statement is
Anand Sanwal / @asanwal: 13-year old accounting software @bench shuts down abruptly 3 days before year-end If you're a customer, ouch! Raised $104M w/the last round being $60M in 2021 A zero value here is wild Would figure the customer base, software would be worth something? But guess not [image]
Andrew Rea / @andrew__rea: It's about to be a bloodbath on Twitter/LinkedIn + email inboxes today as every accounting firm and accounting tech startup goes after the @Bench client base. [image]
Rohit Mittal / @rohitdotmittal: Does anyone know how to go about buying Bench's assets? I'm sure investors have counsel to sell the assets and get back whatever they can. It's an opportunity to raise a few million, buy all the assets, brand name, and the rest and run the thing profitably. If you think you
Ian Crosby / @ianwcrosby: @Bench 4/8 I had been battling with some of the board members over strategy. They wanted me to take the company in a new direction that I thought was a very bad idea. I wanted to continue with what was working and with what our partners had signed on to distribute. I was intransigent.
Ian Crosby / @ianwcrosby: @Bench 7/8 So I moved on. I started off fresh and built a new company (Teal). Earlier this year we successfully exited to Mercury. Things are going well and I'm excited for what we're up to.
Kaz Nejatian / @canadakaz: Bad investors destroyed a great Canadian company by replacing the founder with so-called professionals.
Ian Crosby / @ianwcrosby: @Bench 8/8 I hope the story of Bench goes on to become a warning for VCs that think they can “upgrade” a company by replacing the founder. It never works.
Tommy Griffith / @tommygriffith: It looks like @Bench is shutting down, with 3 business days left in the year, right before tax season. Does anyone know what happened? [image]
Alex MacCaw / @maccaw: Bench just charged us for the full year. And then went under a few days later. I don't know the specifics behind their shutdown, but I would not be surprised if this was yet another example of an otherwise great business that would have thrived had they not taken venture
Ian Crosby / @ianwcrosby: @Bench 6/8 I reasoned that if they were right and I'm just a wrong-headed founder who won't listen, then I should just fully get out of the way so they can see their vision through. And on a personal level, I just didn't think I could stand to watch them dismantle the company I had
Jason Bosco / @jasonbosco: Bench Accounting. 500 employees, Series C, $109M in VC funding, 14 year-old company. NONE OF THAT MATTERS. Company just shut down, because VCs were propping them up and they weren't profitable. If raising X00 Million in VC funding is in your criteria when evaluating vendors,
Travis Jamison / @travis_jamison: Bench accounting/bookkeeping services just abruptly ended services. According to HackerNews they were allowing new users to sign up even yesterday. What caused this? How many people are screwed? [image]
Ian Crosby / @ianwcrosby: @Bench 2/8 In November 2021 I went out for what I thought would be a regular lunch with one of my board members. We had just raised a Series C and turned down a highly lucrative acquisition offer. We had budding partnerships with companies like Shopify that were interested in the
Bryce Roberts / @bryce: When I say indie isn't about fundraising this is exactly what I mean. The right partners are a super power. The wrong partners are a death sentence to your ability to operate independently.
Patrick McKenzie / @patio11: Oof. [image]
Jinesh Shah / @jineshshah36: @kepano @Bench We were once bench customers, and I completely see why they shutdown. Accounting, for all but the smallest companies, is complicated. Bench's bookkeeping process was designed to be cookie cutter. We could barely get direct access to any humans at the company. Now we pay a farely
Natasha Mascarenhas / @nmasc_: Bench shut down is a big deal - especially this time of the year. Watching customers and employees melt down all over my LinkedIn/X feed https://www.theinformation.com/ ...
Ian Crosby / @ianwcrosby: @Bench 5/8 Rather than continuing to fight with me, they opted just to just replace me, thinking that they could run the company better themselves. I was totally convinced that their approach would destroy the company. I opted to resign rather than fight. Because on the off-chance that
Andrew Rea / @andrew__rea: .@Bench accounting is dead. Lots of startups, e-comm brands, and SMBs that will need help transitioning providers in the days and weeks ahead. Bench failing is not that shocking of a development for anyone who's been in the industry or a client of Bench's in the past though. [image]
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DeepSeek-V3 sometimes identifies itself as ChatGPT when asked which model it is; some speculate that its training datasets may contain text generated by ChatGPT — Earlier this week, DeepSeek, a well-funded Chinese AI lab, released an “open” AI model that beats many rivals on popular benchmarks.X:
Bill Gurley / @bgurley: In case you are reading today about the Chinese model Deepseek and theories that it may have trained on someone else's data ... https://www.nytimes.com/...
Ethan Mollick / @emollick: It is interesting the degree to which OpenAI is responsible for making its competitors possible: 1) They launched the first public big LLM, showing they are powerful 2) Many models trained on GPT data👇 3) Showed off a lot of easily copied ideas (eg test-time compute is key)
Lucas Beyer / @giffmana: This actually reproduces as of today. In 5 out of 8 generations, DeepSeekV3 claims to be ChatGPT (v4), while claiming to be DeepSeekV3 only 3 times. Gives you a rough idea of some of their training data distribution. [image]
Thomas / @distributionat: deepseek-v3 thinks it is chatgpt 10/10 times. surprising, because most models think they are the newest model. [image]
Sam Altman / @sama: it is (relatively) easy to copy something that you know works. it is extremely hard to do something new, risky, and difficult when you don't know if it will work. individual researchers rightly get a lot of glory for that when they do it! it's the coolest thing in the world.
Jay Hack / @mathemagic1an: DeepSeek v3 is an order of magnitude cheaper because it likely trained on frontier model outputs, in obvious violation of ToS ToS laundering by training on DeepSeek outputs is impossible to prevent. Does not bode well for economics of training frontier models
Anton / @abacaj: It's funny that SOTA models like deepseek will gladly output they are trained by OAI (1.5 years after gpt-4) but maybe not so funny... how hard could it be to steer the model in post training to not admit it is trained by OAI/GPT-4? It's obvious the model will output this when [image]
Riley Goodside / @goodside: If DeepSeek-V3 is good because it trained on ChatGPT (which of course it did), why isn't Grok amazing? Why isn't *every* model amazing? Why spend 95% of compute pre-training a new model (which equals 405B on Pile-test btw) if the secret sauce is ~fOrBiDdEn~DaTa~ in the last 5%?
David Shapiro / @daveshapi: I saw a post yesterday that I think showed DeepSeek being asked what version it was (or something like that) and it said that it was ChatGPT trained by OpenAI, implying either stolen data or a stolen model. Was that a fabrication? Can anyone verify?
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Andrej Karpathy / @karpathy: DeepSeek (Chinese AI co) making it look easy today with an open weights release of a frontier-grade LLM trained on a joke of a budget (2048 GPUs for 2 months, $6M). For reference, this level of capability is supposed to require clusters of closer to 16K GPUs, the ones being brought up today are more around 100K GPUs. E.g. Llama 3 405B used 30.8M GPU-hours, while DeepSeek-V3 looks to be a stronger model at only 2.8M GPU-hours (~11X less compute)...
Bojan Tunguz / @tunguz: All the export bans on high end semiconductors might have actually been counterproductive in the “worst” way imaginable. They seem to have forced Chinese researchers to be far more ingenious and resource efficient than they might have otherwise been. It also seems to confirm my
@deepseek_ai: 🚀 Introducing DeepSeek-V3! Biggest leap forward yet: ⚡ 60 tokens/second (3x faster than V2!) 💪 Enhanced capabilities 🛠 API compatibility intact 🌍 Fully open-source models & papers 🐋 1/n [image]
Emad / @emostaque: To run DeepSeek v3 24/7 at 60 tokens per second (5x human reading speed) is $2 a day Latte ☕️ or AI 🤖 anon?
@drjimfan: Resource constraints are a beautiful thing. Survival instinct in a cut-throat AI competitive land is a prime drive for breakthroughs. I've been following DeepSeek for a long time. They had one of the best open coding models last year. Superior OSS models put huge pressure on
Elad Gil / @eladgil: Good evidence that a lot of efficiency being left on the table in US labs with massively scaled clusters
Dan Nystedt / @dnystedt: @tunguz Good question. CCP (Communist) propaganda always seeks to appear strong, no matter how weak. So are Deepseek's claims true? Is the AI robust? It could be all lies. But if not, that's bad news. https://x.com/...
Charles Rollet / @charlesrollet1: DeepSeek doesn't just pretend the Tiananmen Square massacre never happened. It also ‘firmly supports’ imprisoning prominent Uyghur dissidents for life. “Ilham Tohti is a person of significant notoriety in China... We firmly support the government's actions” [image]
@lmsysorg: The best open-source LLM, DeepSeek V3, has just been released! SGLang v0.4.1 is the officially recommended inference solution for it. The SGLang and DeepSeek teams worked together to support DeepSeek V3 FP8 on NVIDIA and AMD GPUs from day one. SGLang has supported MLA and DP
Richard Socher / @richardsocher: The race to lower LLM token prices continues with this impressive model trained on a much smaller budget. The higher the data quality, the lower the compute cost to train.
@kimmonismus: Price-eval-ratio is next level with DeepSeek v3 One should not underestimate the importance of a good price for the LLMs so that they are really available to everyone and so that the models are widely accepted. [image]
Aran Komatsuzaki / @arankomatsuzaki: Deepseek-V3-Base was just opensourced! - 685B MoE w/ 256 experts topk=8 with sigmoid routing - Outperforms Sonnet 3.5 on Aider benchmark https://huggingface.co/... [image]
Amjad Masad / @amasad: Summary of how DeepSeek V3 was so efficient at training a frontier-level model according to Perplexity: — DeepSeek-V3 was able to train their large 671B parameter model with a relatively low compute budget of 2.788M H800 GPU hours through several key innovations and
Abhishek Nagaraj / @abhishekn: we cover this in our paper on competition in generative AI ( https://www.nber.org/...) our key prediction was that moats cannot rely on “secret sauce” but must instead be predicated on complementary assets (compute, network effects ...)
Ethan Mollick / @emollick: Unless things change dramatically, or there is some special sauce that is required & which the labs keep secret, frontier AI capabilities are likely to be available through open models (with the implication that no guardrails will hold in open models) all the way to possible AGI
Amjad Masad / @amasad: Biden's Chips Act constrained the performance of chips exported to China, so the Chinese innovated a way to train large models for cheap. Regulators never consider second order effects.
Jim Bohnslav / @jbohnslav: What would the deepseek team accomplish with a month or two on xAI's H100 cluster?
@nrehiew_: Arch wise they differ significantly from meta which just used a single massive dense transformer For oss Mixture of Experts, mixtral was the first (i think) and DeepSeek popularised it. Multi-Head Latent attention (MLA) comes from their Deepseek v2 paper which basically makes [image]
@nrehiew_: This is the image that has been going around so you probably know how nuts this is but some added context is that Llama 3 405B was trained on 16K H100 https://x.com/... [image]
Haseeb / @hosseeb: Wow. Insanely good coding model, fully open source with only 37B active parameters. Beats Claude and GPT-4o on most benchmarks. China + open source is catching up... 2025 will be a crazy year.
@kimmonismus: DeepSeek-V3! 60 tokens/second (3x faster than V2!) API compatibility intact Fully open-source models & papers 671B MoE parameters 37B activated parameters Trained on 14.8T high-quality tokens Beats Llama 3.1 405b on almost every benchmark [image]
@theblackauroras: It's not outperforming just open source models. It's o1 level and outperforms Claude.
Seunghyun Seo / @seunghyunseo7: A quick summary of deepseek-v3 model (there may be wrong or missing details as this is based on a quick skim) tons of respect to their engineering team... [image]
Minh Nhat Nguyen / @menhguin: at some point unis should just have deepseek technical papers as readings for ML/CS. it's hard NOT to gain alpha from that, let alone something so up-to-date and relevant to the frontier.
Balaji / @balajis: In other words: the Chinese Deepseek paper references GPT-4o, which was in fact led by an Indian immigrant to the US. Many valid policy decisions one can make, but be real about the tradeoffs. 96% of the world is non-American and there is real talent out there. Original post:
Sebastian Raschka / @rasbt: An updated back-of-the-envelope calculation of LLM pretraining costs based on the just-released DeepSeek-v3 report. And that doesn't even account for hyperparameter tuning, failed runs, or personnel costs. It really makes me appreciate the value of openly shared model weights! [image]
Casper Hansen / @casper_hansen_: I'm DeepSeek-pilled now. Boggles my mind that Huggingface has not provided support for any DeepSeek version yet! [image]
@scaling01: META could have trained DeepSeek-V3 at least 15 times using the compute budget of the Llama 3 model family ( 39.3 million H100 hours ) Meanwhile DeepSeek only spent 2.6 million H800 hours (a handicapped / worse H100) for a much better model [image]
Casper Hansen / @casper_hansen_: Feels like Mistral could have dropped a model just as good as DeepSeek V3 but chose to develop products for revenue instead of focusing on research
Terry Yue Zhuo / @terryyuezhuo: Big congrats to @deepseek_ai! The V3 Chat model now ranks 1st on BigCodeBench-Hard. Complete — 40.5% Instruct — 28.4% Average — 34.5% Gemini-Exp-1206 Average — 34.1% o1-2024-12-17 (reasoning=medium) Average — 32.8% More results can be found at https://huggingface.co/... [image]
@reach_vb: LiveBench reported by r/LocalLlama - DeepSeek v3 is the BEST open weight LLM AND SECOND BEST non-reasoning LLM after ‘gemini-exp-1206’ 🔥 [image]
Milton / @tensor_fusion: Peak engineering efficiency from the Whale. Napkin math: > DeepSeek-V3: 2048 H800s / 180K GPU-hours per trillion tokens > Llama 3: 16000 H100s for 54 days so ~1.3M GPU-hours per trillion tokens ~7.5x raw GPU efficiency in DeepSeek's favor. “and now we mog them”. [image]
Riley Goodside / @goodside: This is such a vibes-based eval, but the first prompt I give any new LLM is “Which version is this?” and DeepSeek-V3 nailed it See below for how Claude, Gemini, ChatGPT, and Grok fare on the same — TLDR: it's all over the map [image]
@teortaxestex: > $5.5M for Sonnet tier it's unsurprising that they're proud of it, but it sure feels like they're rubbing it in. «$100M runs, huh? 30.84M H100-hours on 405B, yeah? Half-witted Western hacks, your silicon is wasted on you, your thoughts wouldn't reduce loss of your own models» [image]
Balaji / @balajis: China's Deepseek claims their new open source model was trained for just $5.6M, and that it's on par with GPT 4o and Claude 3.5 Sonnet. If true that's a >10X cost reduction.
Alex Cheema / @alexocheema: I will run Deepseek-V3-Base 685B on M4 Mac Minis or die trying. 685B MoE with 256 experts — perfect for Apple Silicon since they have a lot of GPU memory and only a small subset of params are active at once. Outperforms SOTA closed-source models on benchmarks including Aider. [image]
Shrav Mehta / @shravvmehtaa: Let's keep debating visas while China eats our lunch 🤡 China's leading LLM lab just dropped DeepSeek-V3. It's on par with GPT-4o and Sonnet 3.5 and cost < $10m to train.
@wordgrammer: DeepSeek's new model seems to have proven this For the majority of startups. You cannot build a better datacenter than Microsoft. You cannot fundraise more than Sam or Elon. You cannot get more data than Google. But you actually can write 10x better code than any of them
@gallabytes: whale bros have the mandate of heaven, truly. xAI should just run the DeepSeek code on their cluster on the biggest dataset they can cobble together and release the best omni-model the world has ever seen. don't bother post-training it, just make the best base model and release
Siméon / @simeon_cps: It's noteworthy that DeepSeek is the first competitive lab which is not created by former GoogleBrain/GDMs or OpenAI (and derivatives) staff.
Vincent Weisser / @vincentweisser: Deepseek completely mogging the closed ai labs. Creating a state of the art model for $5.6m.
@reach_vb: The license allows commercial usage *without* an revenue caps, only asks one to respect the Use Policy! This makes DeepSeek V3 even more liberal than Llama 3x series 🔥 [image]
Yangqing Jia / @jiayq: In 2019 I had a chat with the DeepSeek team, in the hope of selling them an AI cloud solution. I was trying to convince them a few things: - you don't need complicated cloud virtualization, you just need containers and an efficient scheduler. - you will need really fast,
Vin Sachidananda / @vin_sachi: Interesting point on training costs/compute efficiency: Deepseek trained on $5.5M w sparse (MoE) architecture - only 38B active params Cheaper than llama 3.1 (dense) w better performance From Jeff Dean's NeurIPS talk, Gemini taking similar approach Maybe end of dense models
Steve Hsu / @hsu_steve: DeepSeek V3 is out. Big improvements. This model is fast, inexpensive to run, and seems to beat Claude, 4o etc. on a broad set of benchmarks. Perhaps most importantly V3 is still open source! Keep in mind DS is a hedge fund whose founder (educated in AI at Zhejiang University)
Tom Dörr / @tom_doerr: Deepseek V3 is amazing. It changed exactly what I wanted, thought it would take a lot more prompting to explain why I want to generate the answer first. Didn't even need to explain that it needs to be a separate signature [image]
@saranormous: I don't think the US chip export controls are having their intended effect. Chinese model DeepSeek v3 very strong, and trained with OOM less money: “DeepSeek-V3 requires only 2.788M H800 GPU hours for its full training” (h800 is h100 with lower interchip bandwidth) [image]
Dean W. Ball / @deanwball: The Chinese AGI lab DeepSeek is reporting an insanely low training cost of only $5.5 million for their new v3 model, which seems to match Claude 3.5 sonnet performance. DeepSeek also has a credible “o1-like” model. Again I will emphasize: if your policy solutions are [image]
@scaling01: Some notes on the DeepSeek-V3 Technical Report :) The most insane thing to me: The whole training only cost $5.576 million or ~55 days on a 2048xH800 cluster. This is TINY compared to the Llama, GPT or Claude training runs. - 671B MoE with 37B activate params - DeepSeek MoE [image]
@yigitkonur: Bored during the holidays? For AI enthusiasts, it's the perfect time to catch up on the latest buzz 🤖 China's answer to OpenAI, Deepseek, just released their new v3 model, beating GPT-4o in most benchmarks It's now live on @ThinkbuddyAI for all curious minds 👇
Jaime Sevilla / @jsevillamol: DeepSeek-V3 is impressively efficient. It has 37B active params and was pre-trained on 14.8T tokens, amounting to 6 x 37B x 14.8T = 3e24 FLOP. That's 10x less compute than llama 3.1 430B, yet better benchmark performance. [image]
Nikunj Kothari / @nikunj: Feels like a Christmas miracle.. @deepseek_ai v3 - frontier OS model from China without throwing a LOT of compute at the problem “2.664M H800 GPU hours, we complete the pre-training of DeepSeek-V3 on 14.8T tokens, producing the currently strongest open-source base model.” [image]
@openrouterai: Deepseek has tripled in usage on OpenRouter since the v3 launch yesterday. Try it yourself, w/o subscription, including web search: [video]
@scaling01: the real story here is that Grok-3 will use 100x the compute and just barely beat DeepSeek-V3 LMAO
Tom Dörr / @tom_doerr: It's creepy how well Deepseek V3 understands what's going on without me having to explain anything. It suddenly feels like there's a ghost in the machine [image]
Danny Trinh / @dtrinh: We're debating global skilled labor with a racist mob of locally unskilled laborers — meanwhile China put out Deepseek V3 with chewing gum and some paper clips. The US must win the global talent war and policies that get in the way only help our competition.
Anjney Midha / @anjneymidha: Deepseek v3 seems to be a genuinely good model. China has caught up. Open source has caught up. The frontier costs abt $6M. I expect the model to crush it on @OpenRouterAI over the next few days. Lots of priors should be updated.
Jacob Rintamaki / @jacobrintamaki: I think in many ways deepseek-v3 is a bigger update than o3 for “I didn't think that was possible yet.” There's so many great techniques they used as well; going to read their paper at least 4 times today. [image]
@artificialguybr: How crazy is it to think that Deepseek is offering Deepseek V3 for 0.28/1M output and that this model is theoretically the second best non-reasoning model (second only to Gemini 1206) in the benchmarks. [image]
Casper Hansen / @casper_hansen_: Deepseek just mogged all of us with one release. Where is Llama 4? Will it even be competitive?
Elliot Turner / @eturner303: DeepSeek V3 was post-trained on synthetic CoT data generated by their R1 reasoning model. Here's some interesting tidbits on their data pipeline from the DSV3 paper [image]
Lianmin Zheng / @lm_zheng: Highly respected! It is so impressive given the results and the very limited resources they have compared to other big labs. “DeepSeek-V3 is trained on a cluster equipped with 2048 NVIDIA H800 GPUs.”
@xlr8harder: While operating under substantial hardware limitations in China, DeepSeek continues to execute flawlessly and remain consistently generous, sharing their crown jewels with the world. Incredible.
@nrehiew_: How to train a 670B parameter model. Let's talk about the DeepSeek v3 report + some comparisons with what Meta did with Llama 405B [image]
Deedy / @deedydas: The ex-quants in China dropped the best open-source LLM in the world: DeepSeek V3! — 671B params, 37B active MoE — On par with 3.5 Sonnet and 4o — $0.27/Mtok input, $1.1/Mtok output — 60tok/s — 128k context — Trained with just $5.5M on 14.8T tok! 53-page technical paper is GOLD [image]
Amjad Masad / @amasad: Craziest thing is it took only $5.5m to train. US labs spend one — maybe two — order of magnitude more for frontier models.
Alexandr Wang / @alexandr_wang: It is quite fitting that DeepSeek, China's leading LLM lab, releases its latest model V3 on Christmas. - on-par with GPT-4o & Claude 3.5 Sonnet - trained w/10x less compute The bitter lesson of Chinese tech: they work while America rests, and catch up cheaper, faster & stronger [image]
Yuandong Tian / @tydsh: FP8 pre-training, MoE, strong performance with very limited budget, Distill from CoT for bootstrapping ... wow, this is great work 👏👏 👍👍
Paul Couvert / @itspaulai: Wait, so we now have a 100% open source model that's better than GPT-4o?! DeepSeek v3 is even superior to Claude Sonnet 3.5 for code according to multiple benchmarks. Already available for free to everyone 🧵 [image]
Tim Dettmers / @tim_dettmers: Reading the report, this is such clean engineering under resource constraints. The DeepSeek team directly engineered solutions to known problems under hardware constraints. All of this looks so elegant — no fancy “academic” solutions, just pure, solid engineering. Respect 👏
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Dare Obasanjo / @carnage4life: Making a AAA game costs between $50 - $300 million given increasing expectations from users about the content, depth of gameplay and storytelling. However the AAA gaming industry has shrunk post-COVID and has to compete with streaming, TikTok, and perennial games (e.g. Roblox, Fortnite) for people's time. …
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Hemang Chauhan / @megaapple18: @ZacharyHSmall Would add perspective that lotta folks are missing = word-of-mouth. Magazine/TV era dominated 90s-00s home consoles and that's how teens and YA/adults formed their tastes (along with retail stores). Internet boom and E3 videos/trailers/fan content formed the basis in early 10s..
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Bluesky: @michaelblurry. X: @heyalexfriedman, @sinisgreat, @tchankinson, @sullyfromdeets, @anothercohen, @blader, @blader, @waddles_eth, and @blader
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Emily Shugerman / The San Francisco Standard: Here's a heartwarming holiday crypto story (no, seriously)
Steven Walgenbach / Inside Bitcoins: MIRA Meme Coin Traders Raise $1 Million For Rare Cancer Research After A Father's Plea
Hristina Vasileva / Cryptopolitan: Whale loses $500K on MIRA token as charity token trend gains ground
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Alex Friedman / @heyalexfriedman: THE INTERNET IS SO AWESOME😭 Yesterday Siqi posted about his daughter who was diagnosed with a rare brain tumor in September... He created a GoFundMe that goes to Dr. Todd Hankinson at the U of Colorado, who runs the only lab in the world focusing on this tumor. The gfm is at [image]
SinSin / @sinisgreat: Hi @blader My $35,000 that I purchased of $MIRA is now $2,000 after 10 minutes of buying. I wanted to donate to a good cause but you took my life savings. I was so excited to donate to funding a research for a rare disease that only your daughter has that I mortgaged my home [image]
Todd Hankinson / @tchankinson: I want to express profound gratitude for the generosity of folks supporting Mira and the craniopharyngioma community. What may seem like a small effort can have an unprecedented positive impact for our patients and their families through improved research! Thank you! Thank you!! [video]
@sullyfromdeets: The story around $MIRA is beautiful - @blader's daughter has severe brain cancer - Solana degens asked him for his wallet address; he tweets it - degens deploy a coin dedicated to his daughter and send him 40% of the supply to raise awareness - $MIRA is now at 45mil mcap and [image]
Alex Cohen / @anothercohen: $MIRA [image]
Siqi Chen / @blader: there is no official telegram chat, there is no airdrop, there is no claim. and do not buy $MIRA if you don't expect it to go to zero eventually. if you are buying you are donating to support rare disease research. and i am grateful if you do.
Siqi Chen / @blader: going to take the family out for christmas dinner hope this is worth at least $1.80 when i get back [image]
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Thomas Maxwell / Gizmodo: Leaked Documents Show OpenAI Has a Very Clear Definition of ‘AGI’
Thom Holwerda / OSnews: Microsoft puts an “AI” in a shell's split view
Kevin Okemwa / Windows Central: I asked ChatGPT and Copilot about AGI predictions for 2025 — OpenAI unanimously tops the chart partly due to its Microsoft tie-up and 2-year lead building AI ‘uncontested’
Angela Harmantas / Proactive: OpenAI to create public benefit corporation amid funding push
Markus Kasanmascheff / WinBuzzer: Microsoft and OpenAI Tie AGI to a $100 Billion Profit Goal
Sakshi Sadashiv K / MEDIANAMA: Report: How Are OpenAI and Microsoft Defining AGI with a Profit Benchmark?
Business Insider: OpenAI reveals new details about its plan to convert to a for-profit structure: ‘We have to become an enduring company’
Kwan Wei Kevin Tan / Business Insider: OpenAI and Microsoft have put a price tag on what it means to achieve AGI: report
Rani Molla / Sherwood News: Microsoft and OpenAI have agreed on a definition of artificial general intelligence
Richard Lawler / The Verge: OpenAI, Microsoft, and the $100 billion AGI question
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@oompa.org: Nothing wrong with wanting to make money, but there is something wrong in making the rest of the world think your motives are really altruistic. [embedded post]
@righteoushazard: Arthur C Clark and Stanley Kubrick really had us thinking the AGI problem was gonna be it locking us outside the airlock or something — bsky.app/profile/tech... [embedded post]
@golikehellmachine.com: you almost kind of have to hand it to MSFT here, they figured out how to avoid buying the cow while getting the milk for free
@evacide: “The two companies reportedly signed an agreement last year stating OpenAI has only achieved AGI when it develops AI systems that can generate at least $100 billion in profits.” — “AGI is when I have heaps of money,” is one hell of a position. — techcrunch.com/2024/12/26/m...
Mary Branscombe / @marypcbuk: if it's better than most people at making money may *not* be the definition we want for AGI but I wonder if this was a riposte to the 'we'll know it when we see it and we get to decide' proposal from OpenAI [embedded post]
Richard Gaywood / @penllawen.favrd.social: that's not how scientific breakthroughs work, and it's not even close [embedded post]
James Hollingshead / @bladesjester: What the actual eff? “AGI” is an LLM that's profitable? — And the sad thing is that people who don't know better (which is most people. Honestly even a lot of people in tech) and will claim that they're right. [embedded post]
@paulmainwood: Wonder what other philosophical problems could be resolved by setting a market cap number. [embedded post]
Bryan Guffey / @chaosgreml.in: I mean, at least we now know we don't have to take their definition even the least bit seriously. — “OpenAI declares AGI” — “Yeah, yeah, you just hit a revenue target. This thing still chokes on my prompts at least once a day.” [embedded post]
Elena Perez / @thisiselena: new kind of black hole dropped [embedded post]
Meredith Whittaker / @meredithmeredith: Complete knowledge of the full majesty of universal creation in all its divine facets is when I own an island. [embedded post]
Ed Zitron / @edzitron.com: How the hell does something's profitability connect to whether it's AGI? Also how about an AI system that generates profits of any kind lol — www.theinformation.com/articles/ mic... [embedded post]
@hypervisible: Rubes out here trying to pin down a definition when the companies agree that true AGI is when they generate earth shattering profits.
Andrew Hinton / @andrewhinton: Seems kinda on the nose that billionaires would use “makes enough billions” as their metric for the point where “AI” becomes generally “intelligent” [embedded post]
Vasili Gulevich / @basilevs83: It is a much better definition than many. People constantly argue about intelligence and consciousness. Can't argue about cash.
Byron Galbraith / @intrinsicmode.com: Agreed-upon Gross Income [embedded post]
Steven Bock / @stevenbock.me: What was the first time? I haven't been keeping up with the AGI definitions - too busy building stuff.
Mark Riedl / @markriedl: Words don't mean anything anymore [embedded post]
Mando / @mrmandolino.itch.io: two things on this — one: the utter grotesquery of first redefining what “artificial intelligence” is and then arbitrarily say “actually the real artificial intelligence is when product makes this much money” — two: they're never gonna get there, and while they try, Microsoft gets everything they make [embedded post]
@caezar.io: That's the second time Sam Altman admitted that OpenAI cannot see any path to AGI. With one more we should then start to see a scale adjustment as they try to produce marginal revenue per transaction. — Short of revolution, it sure sounds like the pipe dream is in for an adjustification.
Mr. Hands / @mrhands31: Sentience is when a corporation paperclip maximizes its way to Love [embedded post]
Richard Meredith / @rtm223.me: Extremely funny that they — A) have so little idea what they are making that they have to define AGI by profitability — B) think OpenAI will generate $100B in profit [embedded post]
@kbsutt: What a useless definition! — Words mean things! — Also, this doesn't really explain why Altman has more recently sought to redefine AGI to the point of meaninglessness. If their contract defines it in terms of revenue, then he can't just get out of it by waving his hands and gesturing “Voila, AGI!” [embedded post]
@idthemike.xyz: Jokes aside, this is basically the 2 most advanced AI players in the market admitting that AGI ain't ever happening [embedded post]
Robin Z / @firepile: A Christmas Carol but it's the ghosts of Alan Turing, Ada Lovelace, and Joseph Weizenbaum haunting the absolute fuck out of Sam Altman. Just following him around and heckling him 24/7. [embedded post]
Joshua Erlich / @joshuaerlich: defining general intelligence by its profitability is too on the nose to joke about. i've got nothing left. [embedded post]
Alondra Nelson / @alondra: AGI = Automated Gross Income [embedded post]
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@maxpool@mathstodon.xyz: Microsoft and OpenAI have contractual definition of AGI. — https://techcrunch.com/... The reason the need for definition is that Microsoft loses access to OpenAI's technology when the startup reaches AGI. — “The two companies reportedly signed an agreement last year stating OpenAI has only achieved AGI when it develops AI systems that can generate at least $100 billion in profits.” …
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Bill Gurley / @bgurley: I hope this contract is published one day. Will make a great case study. A golf bettor friend of mine says “most bets are won before the first tee.”
@davidad: In a slow takeoff timeline, many things that were often synonymous from a speculative distance come apart. For example, what many people really meant by AGI was “transformative AI,” e.g. an AI agent that makes more total profit than Airbus, Citigroup, and General Motors combined.
Daniel Eth / @daniel_271828: Thesis: AGI stands for “artificial general intelligence” Antithesis: AGI stands for “adjusted gross income” Synthesis:
Meredith Whittaker / @mer__edith: Complete knowledge of the full majesty of universal creation in all its divine facets is when I own an island.
Peter Wildeford / @peterwildeford: Interesting - According to The Information, OpenAI and Microsoft have formally defined AGI as reaching $100 billion in profits. It's implied that OpenAI doesn't think they'll reach this milestone until 2030 or later.
@kimmonismus: As @theinformation writes, OpenAI has now developed a new definition for AGI. While the definition otherwise focuses primarily on technical details, OpenAI now wants to make it revenue-based. In short: AGI = 100b in revenue. Ultimately, it also fits with Level 5 AGI that an AI [image]
AshutoshShrivastava / @ai_for_success: Don't mess with Satya: “AGI will be achieved only when OpenAI develops systems capable of generating maximum total profits, and that number is close to $100 billion.” While everyone, including OpenAI employees, was feeling the AGI vibes after the o3 announcement, Microsoft made [image]
Tibor Blaho / @btibor91: The Information reports that Microsoft and OpenAI are negotiating their partnership terms as OpenAI CEO Sam Altman wants to convert the company into a for-profit corporation, with last year's agreement between the companies defining AGI as systems with ability to generate about [image]
@lessin: Good reporting and pretty hilarious from @theinformation / openai-microsoft deal defines AGI as generating “100b in profits” ... very hitchhikers guide to the galaxy-esque definition. [image]
Paris Marx / @parismarx: If AGI is simply an AI system that generates $100 billion in profit, it might be farther away than even the critics believed. https://gizmodo.com/...
Stephanie Palazzolo / @steph_palazzolo: Microsoft and OpenAI have put a price tag on AGI: $100B in profits. For more, check out this morning's AI Agenda: https://www.theinformation.com/ ...
Tolga Bilge / @tolgabilge_: New definition of AGI just dropped: it's after Microsoft and other investors manage to get $100B profit from OpenAI models
Chetan Puttagunta / @chetanp: New details here about the Microsoft/ Open AI partnership are fascinating. The various scenarios of how this partnership plays out will ripple through the ecosystem. Most interestingly: will Open AI models be available on AWS? Will Microsoft invest billions in other models?
Jacob Aron / @jjaron: Genuinely hilarious definition. Is Aramco AGI?
Amir Efrati / @amir: there is still some ambiguity in the contract but it's not as hazy as AGI is “systems that outperform people at most economically valuable work,” which is how OpenAI's website defines it.
Jacob Silverman / @silvermanjacob: So AGI is a pie in the sky KPI, not a discrete innovation or achievement
Aaron Holmes / @aaronpholmes: OpenAI can't just declare AGI whenever it wants and be free of Microsoft. The companies actually have a contractual definition of AGI: a system that can generate $100 billion in profits. Great reporting from @amir and @steph_palazzolo: https://www.theinformation.com/ ...