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| Bloomberg: |
Two groups of senators say they are nearing a last-minute deal on crypto oversight, but an agreement may come too late to get added to the infrastructure bill — - Senators say they are nearing last-minute crypto compromise — The amendment may not get called up for a vote in Senate
Tweets: @brian_armstrong, @jerrybrito, @elonmusk, @tedcruz, @fightfortheftr, @nikhileshde, @igorbobic, @jakesherman, @jstein_wapo, @tedcruz, @mg, @ivanthek, @hackingbutlegal, @nickcini, @milessuter, @iampaulgrewal, @tedcruz, @eric_lombrozo, @iohk_charles, @jhweissmann, @novogratz, @mdudas, @el33th4xor, and @tonyromm
More:
Washington Post: Cryptocurrency brawl bogs down infrastructure bill, as Yellen and White House fight changes
Lachlan Keller / Forkast: Crypto miners set to be snared by U.S. infrastructure bill
Victoria Guida / Politico: Washington wakes up to crypto influence amid infrastructure fight
Maryam Gamar / Vox: How two competing cryptocurrency policies began a conversation on digital rights
Taylor Locke / CNBC: There are 2 competing crypto tax amendments to the Senate's infrastructure bill—here's what each would mean for the industry
Tweets:
Brian Armstrong / @brian_armstrong: 1/ There are a few key moments that define our future. One is happening now in the Senate w/ the infrastructure bill. At the 11th hour @MarkWarner has proposed an amendment that would decide which foundational technologies are OK and which are not in crypto. This is disastrous.
Jerry Brito / @jerrybrito: Senator Warner has revised his amendment yet again. He now excludes proof-of-work and proof-of-stake, but not any other consensus mechanism. I am speechless. Now they're picking 2 winners? There are other consensus mechanisms! Why do this? https://twitter.com/...
Elon Musk / @elonmusk: @brian_armstrong @MarkWarner Agreed, this is not the time to pick technology winners or losers in cryptocurrency technology. There is no crisis that compels hasty legislation.
Ted Cruz / @tedcruz: 🚨Crypto got screwed tonight.🚨 There's a partisan disagreement on spending, so Dems objected to ALL further amendments. That means NO vote on Wyden-Lummis to lessen the damage this bill will do to crypto, & NO vote on the Cruz amd. to repeal the new crypto rules altogether.
@fightfortheftr: Together we've driven more than 35,000 calls to Senators saying #DontKillCrypto. We're not even keeping track of tweets and emails. It's unacceptable for elected officials to ignore their constituents. Keep calling. Keep tweeting. Make them listen. https://www.fightforthefuture.org/ ...
Nikhilesh De / @nikhileshde: I've been getting qs so here's what I know: As of 5:15pm ET, literally anything seems possible re: crypto tax reporting provision. Might see votes on amendments, might not, might see a compromise, might see the Senate just move to vote on the current bill without any amendments.
Igor Bobic / @igorbobic: It is both amusing and sort of ridiculous how the Senate stumbled into a very technical and complicated debate about crypto mining while working on an infrastructure bill.
Jake Sherman / @jakesherman: Quick thought before this senate vote series: crypto is only going to become more scrutinized by congress. This is the beginning. Congress is late to it, no doubt, but this will be a bigger focus in the future.
Jeff Stein / @jstein_wapo: Worth noting that even if we get a Wyden-Warner-WH crypto agreement it may not wind up in the bill bc there may not be amendments allowed, for complicated Senate procedural reasons @TonyRomm has explained to me but that I am too dense to understand
Ted Cruz / @tedcruz: The result? The Senate's going to inflict billions of dollars of damage on the growing & exciting crypto industry & drive much of it overseas. There aren't 5 Senators who understand much of anything about crypto.
Matt Galligan.eth / @mg: What are the motivations behind picking technologies to build into this amendment? It's like Congress coming out and saying you can code with Java + Python but leaving all other languages out. https://twitter.com/...
@ivanthek: Every member of Congress should immediately disclose their interest in cryptocurrencies and adjacent businesses. https://www.washingtonpost.com/ ...
Jackie Singh / @hackingbutlegal: This is the first real fight for the regulation of cryptocurrency at a federal level. Here's a good overview of what is happening: https://www.washingtonpost.com/ ...
Nick Mancini / @nickcini: I cannot believe the year is 2021 and instead of Congress actually debating life changing societal remedies they are bickering over the difference between $10 billion in #crypto taxes per year. I was a fan of the Biden administration, but respect is quickly being lost. https://twitter.com/...
Miles Suter / @milessuter: It's *so* crazy that this is how legislation is made in DC. These are incredibly complex, technical and impactful issues. They deserve thorough contemplation, debate & public discussion in order to ensure the policy put in place optimizes future American prosperity & innovation
Paul Grewal / @iampaulgrewal: Each and every United States Senator should be clear: the millions of Americans who buy, sell, use and care about crypto are staring at this amendment fiasco in disbelief. We vote, donate, canvass and knock on doors. We remember when leaders do their jobs— and when they don't.
Ted Cruz / @tedcruz: What the Senate said tonight: Let's tax the hell out of something we know nothing about, so we can pass a giant bill we haven't read, and spend the American people's money on stuff we can't afford. It's reckless & harmful.
@eric_lombrozo: Nah, the Senate got screwed. The bill made clear just how incompetent and dysfunctional the institution is and got lots of incredibly determined and passionate activists from around the whole world riled up. And the Honeybadger still don't daf. https://twitter.com/... https://twitter.com/...
Charles Hoskinson / @iohk_charles: There you have it folks. Chuck Schumer fucked us all. It's one thing to disagree, but he didn't even let the senators vote. Time to move on to the house. 435 congress critters. Let's light up the phones https://twitter.com/...
@jhweissmann: Ah. Honestly, reasonable result. Just means there's gonna be vague-ish statutory language and lots of lobbying during the Treasury rule-making process. https://twitter.com/...
Mike Novogratz / @novogratz: I don't often agree with @tedcruz but he is pretty spot on. Crypto started as a movement of people who didn't trust government and centralized authority. The embarrassing actions of our Senators and the White House reinforces this lack of trust. Shameful. https://twitter.com/...
Mike Dudas / @mdudas: “The Treasury Department had been involved in the drafting of the latest amendment” https://www.bloomberg.com/...
| Washington Post: |
How the cryptocurrency industry gained influence in Washington and became one of the biggest stumbling blocks holding up the passage of the infrastructure bill — The infrastructure bill is in part stalled as negotiations proceed on how closely to regulate the crypto industry
Tweets: @caitlinlong_, @gladstein, @josephzeballos, @jstein_wapo, @jack, @josephzeballos, @jack, @cperruna, @hshaban, @jack, @reid_yager, @jack, @kmsmithdc, @tyler, @carnage4life, @avichal, @techwontsaveus, @aaschapiro, @arrington, @jasonklau, @parismarx, @apompliano, @moneyball, @kmsmithdc, @carnage4life, @gregmike, @avifelman, @kmsmithdc, and @brockm
More:
Ekin Genç / Decrypt: Crypto Tax Strife Continues As Senate Delays Vote
Kevin Shalvey / Insider: Elon Musk, Jack Dorsey, and Ted Cruz are among those criticizing planned crypto tax rules, which could help fund the infrastructure package
Russell Brandom / The Verge: New Bitcoin tax plans could stifle greener blockchain tech
Tweets:
@caitlinlong_: Yep & we've proven our power doesn't stem from lobbying money. Our power= there are ~50 million of us (in every Congressional district), we can self-organize fast when we want to & we're not afraid to call out bad DC policy that doesn't understand our tech https://www.washingtonpost.com/ ...
Alex Gladstein / @gladstein: “An intense infrastructure bill brawl between Bitcoin advocates, Congress and the White House has revealed a new power player in Washington that's starting to find its footing: the cryptocurrency lobby” In retrospect, it was inevitable. https://www.politico.com/...
Joseph Zeballos-Roig / @josephzeballos: Spoke w/Wyden about ongoing crypto tax talks: “I continue to feel very strongly I want to crack down on tax cheats and people associated with these centralized programs, crypto exchanges.. I just don't want to destroy the innovation that comes from a decentralized network”
Jeff Stein / @jstein_wapo: .@mcuban tells The Washington Post on current crypto debate: “Shutting off this growth engine would be the equivalent of stopping e-commerce in 1995 because people were afraid of credit card fraud” Story w/ @tcfrankel @JaxAlemany @hshaban https://www.washingtonpost.com/ ...
Jack⚡️ / @jack: If we can't strike the entire provision so we can have proper hearings and deliberation, then let's simplify the definition of broker to what really matters: where digital assets are exchanged for fiat currency. Broker = Fiat-to-Crypto Exchange.
Joseph Zeballos-Roig / @josephzeballos: Caught up w/Toomey on crypto talks, some issues remain unresolved: “Someone in the business of running a centralized exchange should be required to report transactions for their customers.. but we should not rope in people who are not actually running a centralized exchange”
Jack⚡️ / @jack: Forcing reporting rules on Americans who develop software and hardware, who mine and secure the network, or who run nodes to build resilience and efficiencies, is an impossible ask that will only drive development and operation of this critical technology outside the US.
Chris Perruna / @cperruna: The question is no longer: “Is crypto a fad?” It's now a question of: How do we incorporate, tax and regulate this growing and important industry? https://twitter.com/...
Hamza Shaban / @hshaban: On today's front page w/@tcfrankel, @JStein_WaPo & @JaxAlemany. In the contest over the infrastructure bill, the crypto industry and its allies sprung into action, mounting a campaign on Capitol Hill, and proving their newfound power as a lobbying force https://www.washingtonpost.com/ ... https://twitter.com/...
Jack⚡️ / @jack: If you feel this doesn't go far enough, I'd argue that this at least gets you to 90% of goal. For the remaining 10% of edge cases, let's make a proper well-informed law through committee hearings with witnesses on both sides of the debate.
Reid Yager / @reid_yager: “Any industry wants to be involved in regulation discussions,” said @Reid_Yager, a former lobbyist and current director of communications at @BlokhausLLC, a blockchain marketing firm. “But explaining all this to a septuagenarian lawmaker is a huge challenge.” https://twitter.com/...
Jack⚡️ / @jack: To @RonWyden, @SenLummis, @SenToomey, @MarkWarner, @SenRobPortman, @SenatorSinema, @TedCruz, respective staff & everyone who's worked on the Infrastructure Bill “Crypto Tax Reporting” provision: thank you for your work to get this right. May we offer a workable simplification?
Kristin Smith / @kmsmithdc: END/ So.... we urge you to support the @ronwyden-@senlummis-@sentoomey amendment and oppose the @markwarner amendment. Keep crypto innovation here in the US. Crypto. Here for Good. (I promise you it really is.)
Tyler Winklevoss / @tyler: The crypto voting block is real. We are no longer a fringe community of technologists, but a rapidly growing industry of millions of people that is fast becoming a major growth engine of the US economy, and will be for decades to come. https://www.washingtonpost.com/ ...
Dare Obasanjo / @carnage4life: US politicians have grabbed a tiger by the tail. The crypto community spends millions on JPGs and will have no qualms spending significant amounts of money going after politicians for effectively trying to ban crypto. At least one major politician has already figured that out. https://twitter.com/...
Avichal Garg / @avichal: ~20% of US Millennials own crypto. Only 37% own stocks. Imagine Senators and the White House trying to kill the stock market for half of all Millennial shareholders. How do you think that demo would vote in the next election cycle?
@techwontsaveus: An alliance between digital rights groups and powerful corporate interests held up the US infrastructure deal to minimize crypto regulations. “The parallels between cryptocurrency's current battle and how ‘Big Tech’ once approached regulation are notable."https://www.washingtonpost.com / ...
Avi Asher-Schapiro / @aaschapiro: What do Trump staffer Mick Mulvaney, the lefty group Fight for the Future, & Mark Cuban have in common? A fight over a provision tucked into the infrastructure bill revealed an unlikely crew united by skepticism of cryptocurrency regulation. https://www.washingtonpost.com/ ...
@arrington: I love how senators just have to say “let's fuck this random stuff up” and then all the people in that industry pour money into their coffers to convince them not to. It's a direct analogy to “nice store you have here, what a shame if something bad were to happen to it”
Jason Lau / @jasonklau: @josephzeballos As one of these “centralized exchanges” - we are already regulated and report transactions to the IRS. US users get sent 1099s.
Paris Marx / @parismarx: The effort to stop this crypto amendment has been a good example of how tech and its supporters wield false narratives that sound attractive and empowering, but actually function to protect corporate power and fight regulations that would constrain it. https://twitter.com/...
Pomp / @apompliano: There are tens of millions of people around the world voluntarily working together to build a better future that stands on the bedrock of freedom and transparency. https://www.washingtonpost.com/ ...
Steve Lee / @moneyball: This would be infinitely more effective for the IRS to collect taxes and the government to legitimately score revenue for the infrastructure bill. As it stands, no one running a node can comply with filing 1099s, so there would be no additional tax revenue due to this law. https://twitter.com/...
Kristin Smith / @kmsmithdc: 1/ Dear Senators, still confused about why the @markwarner amendments (yes, all 5 of them) fall short of fixing the #crypto provision in the #infrastructurebill? Here are 3 things you need to know.
Dare Obasanjo / @carnage4life: The NRA has a chokehold on gun control regulation with about $3M-$5M in lobbying. The top 5 defense contractors spend about $50M/year to direct trillions in defense spending. The crypto community has the wealth & passion to have similar impact on government. The dragon is awake. https://twitter.com/...
Greg Mike / @gregmike: Nice background 👊 https://twitter.com/...
Avi Felman / @avifelman: Genuinely the most bullish thing I've ever read https://twitter.com/... https://twitter.com/...
| John Gruber / Daring Fireball: |
An overview of Apple's three new “child safety” initiatives, what critics are getting wrong, and the completely legitimate slippery slope concerns from experts — Apple yesterday announced three new “Child Safety” initiatives: … (CSAM stands for Child Sexual Abuse Material — a.k.a. child pornography.
Tweets: @timsweeneyepic, @snowden, @lindellyehuda, @normative, @aral, @matthew_d_green, @chibaolema, @kaepora, @matthew_d_green, @briannawu, @matthewkeyslive, @matthew_d_green, @briannawu, @matthew_d_green, @waynedixon, @matthew_d_green, @sarahjamielewis, @deeperthrill, @kaepora, @kevinmitnick, @sarahjamielewis, @choco_bit, @carnage4life, @matthewkeyslive, @carnage4life, @benedictevans, @matthew_d_green, @tapbot_paul, @matthew_d_green, @matthew_d_green, @rsgnl, @sarahjamielewis, @matthewkeyslive, @glennf, @briannawu, @sarahjamielewis, @sarahjamielewis, @waynedixon, @snowden, @benedictevans, @matthew_d_green, @mattblaze, @moonalice, @mattblaze, @matthew_d_green, @hardmaru, @aral, @katebevan, @gamingguru456, @snowden, @counternotions, @convertbond, @mattblaze, @steven_aquino, @gruber, @briannawu, @gruber, @briannawu, @briannawu, @briannawu, @gruber, @mmasnick, @reneritchie, @gassee, @briannawu, @carnage4life, @carnage4life, @thegrugq, @thegrugq, @thegrugq, @paxxi, @paxxi, @alexstamos, @antoniogm, @rondeibert, @alexstamos, @ajlburke, @benedictevans, @reneritchie, @charlesarthur, @charlesarthur, @benedictevans, @josephfcox, @cdhowe, @fromjrtosr, @simardcasanova, @notpatrick, @alexstamos, @aral, @sarahjamielewis, @kaepora, @thegrugq, @arnoldkim, @mattrosoff, @matthew_d_green, @parrots, @josephfcox, @migueldeicaza, @tculpan, @mattblaze, @rondeibert, @samifathi_, @normative, @normative, @matthew_d_green, @petersterne, and @jon_prosser
More:
Dr. Neal Krawetz / The Hacker Factor Blog: One Bad Apple — My in-box has been flooded over the last few days about Apple's CSAM announcement.
Ben Lovejoy / 9to5Mac: Apple publishes a CSAM FAQ to address misconceptions and concerns about photo scanning, but leaves potential government pressure unaddressed
William Gallagher / AppleInsider: New FAQ says Apple will refuse pressure to expand child safety tools beyond CSAM
Chris Duckett / ZDNet: Apple child abuse material scanning in iOS 15 draws fire
Sofia Wyciślik-Wilson / BetaNews: Thousands sign letter asking Apple to scrap plans to scan users' photos for child abuse images
Scott Shackford / Reason: Apple Will Start Checking Your Messages for Dick Pics
Thom Holwerda / OSnews: One bad Apple — Dr. Neal Krawetz, one of the leading experts in the area of computer …
Stephen Warwick / iMore: Apple publishes Child Safety FAQ to address CSAM scanning concerns and more
Charlesarthur / The Overspill: Start Up No.1610: Apple CSAM system redux, Amazon's sellers hunt the negs, Huawei slumps, FTC slaps Facebook, bulk up!, and more
Robert Schmad / Washington Examiner: Apple is opening a Pandora's box with its upcoming software update
Glenn Fleishman Rich Mogull / TidBITS: FAQ about Apple's Expanded Protections for Children
Tweets:
Tim Sweeney / @timsweeneyepic: I've tried hard to see this from Apple's point of view. But inescapably, this is government spyware installed by Apple based on a presumption of guilt. Though Apple wrote the code, its function is to scan personal data and report it to government. https://www.eff.org/...
Edward Snowden / @snowden: No matter how well-intentioned, @Apple is rolling out mass surveillance to the entire world with this. Make no mistake: if they can scan for kiddie porn today, they can scan for anything tomorrow. They turned a trillion dollars of devices into iNarcs—*without asking.* https://twitter.com/...
Yehuda Lindell / @lindellyehuda: One thing that really bothers me about the Apple CSAM solution is that it is really easily bypassed. So it will only work for the dumb criminals, but will potentially compromise everyone else. In that sense, it's like the encryption backdoor situation.
Julian Sanchez / @normative: One of many reasons this is concerning is that it seems awfully likely we get this dynamic: CSAM scanning turns on; there's a big initial burst of reports; creeps catch on & turn off iCloud backup; reports slow to a trickle; “why don't we require them to scan the whole phone?” https://twitter.com/...
Aral Balkan / @aral: Nothing in this FAQ (PDF: https://www.apple.com/...) that Apple has released addresses any of our concerns. It basically boils down to “trust us, don't worry, it'll be fine.” To reiterate what we're asking: Apple must halt deployment of its content monitoring technology (1/2)
Matthew Green / @matthew_d_green: Maybe Apple will reverse course and maybe they don't. But I don't think they have come to terms with the deep well of antipathy and mistrust this move is going to create. It's going to be with them for years, undoing billions of dollars in priceless customer trust and marketing. https://twitter.com/...
Bad Hombre / @chibaolema: CN Gov't: “Hey Apple, we need you to do a check of all iPhones and Macs in China to find out who might have shared and been exposed to this horrible image using your great new CSAM tool. Don't forget we're a quarter of your company revenue!” https://twitter.com/...
@kaepora: Apple just published a FAQ document regarding its content-scanning rollout. Some choice parts: “Does this mean Apple is going to scan all the photos stored on my iPhone?” “No, but actually yes.”🤦♂️ Full FAQ Here: https://www.apple.com/... https://twitter.com/...
Matthew Green / @matthew_d_green: If Apple had announced that they were scanning text messages sent through their systems, or photo libraries shared with outside users — well, I wouldn't have been happy with that. But I think the public would have accepted it.
Brianna Wu / @briannawu: @charlesarthur @ncweaver @pvineetha I was speaking with an expert this week who measures these things. She told me fortnight, Minecraft and Roblox lobbies are where predators find children. It's not iMessage. it feels like we're going after the wrong target.
Matthew Keys / @matthewkeyslive: @EFF Literally no one here is trying to defend child pornographers or their enthusiasts. But there's a very real slippery slope here, and you can't trust the feds to say, “well, we'd never ask Apple to do that!” Remember when they jailed a journalist over a purported website edit?
Matthew Green / @matthew_d_green: If 5% of US Apple users disabled iCloud Photos in the next week, Apple would probably reconsider their plans to enable client side scanning. I wonder what that would take.
Brianna Wu / @briannawu: Apple is not your friend. They are a $2,000,000,000,000 (2 trillion) dollar company with an army of lawyers and marketers that are well paid to have their back. I love their products too, and own most of them. But they don't need you to spend your free time defending them.
Matthew Green / @matthew_d_green: It's gradually dawning on me how badly Apple screwed up with this content scanning announcement.
Wayne Dixon / @waynedixon: @gruber @BriannaWu @gruber @BriannaWu Or you can do it right from a device. You have to verify it's you by answering security questions. But once you have done that, the birthdate will be changed. It does require parental approval to change a birthdate.
Matthew Green / @matthew_d_green: But they didn't do that. They announced that they're going to do real-time scanning of individuals' *private photo libraries* on their own phones. That's... something different. And new. And uncomfortable.
Sarah Jamie Lewis / @sarahjamielewis: Let's start by talking about those hashes. Those hashes are not cryptographic hashes. They are *perceptual hashes*. That is to say that unlike the “hashes” you have mostly heard about they are not designed to be collision resistant...in fact mostly the exact opposite.
Nadim Kobeissi / @kaepora: Vital point to keep in mind for anyone who cares about the Apple CSAM scanning issue: https://twitter.com/...
Kevin Mitnick / @kevinmitnick: Well, it looks like @scottmcnealy was right - you have no privacy, get over it. How far will Apple go to monitor your device to make sure you are being a good boy/girl. I'm all for putting the pedophiles in prison, but what's Apple's next spyware move? Ready to update to IOS 15?
Sarah Jamie Lewis / @sarahjamielewis: At the highest level there is your phone and Apple's servers. Apple has a collection of hashes, and your phone has...well tbh if you are like a large number of people in the world it probably has links to your entire digital life. We can draw a big line down the centre. https://twitter.com/...
Fudge / @choco_bit: The actual tech behind the CSAM is pretty sound and interesting in the lens of “How can we continue to prevent illegal shit on our services while expanding E2EE to users” But Apple *really* goofed the PR aspect + news outlets/influencers greatly misreporting its operation/nuance
Dare Obasanjo / @carnage4life: The Chinese government just destroyed the $120B online learning industry including complementary apps like Duolingo because it wants tighter control of education. That Apple can or will resist their demands is not credible based on everything we've seen. https://www.reuters.com/...
Matthew Keys / @matthewkeyslive: @EFF (And the journalist *didn't even do the defacement*!!! Still, two years, lock 'em up, throw away the key...and let's do a repeat a few years later.) That was the whole point of Van Buren. SCOTUS said gov't's word isn't good enough. Are you listening, Apple?
Dare Obasanjo / @carnage4life: This is clearly what everyone is concerned about and for Apple & it's defenders to misdirect about the complex cryptographic tech is gaslighting. 1. Apple has bent over multiple times to 🇨🇳 on human rights. 2. The 🇨🇳govt has shown no qualms about tanking billion dollar companies https://twitter.com/...
Benedict Evans / @benedictevans: There's a very direct read-across to FLoC as well, and all the Tracking that-Apple-says-isn't-tracking that your iPhone does. Apple has chanted the mantra 'if it's on the device it's private' for a decade and now it's got them into a muddle
Matthew Green / @matthew_d_green: Someone pointed out that Apple's Intel Macs probably can't run their client-side scanning software because they don't possess a neural engine coprocessor. Real time scanning on Macs is going to require an upgrade to newer M1 hardware (or beyond).
Paul Haddad / @tapbot_paul: Apple's probably not Private for long iCloud Relay doesn't sound quite as nice.
Matthew Green / @matthew_d_green: @ncweaver @migueldeicaza @benadida @dinodaizovi @alexstamos The hash function will leak out. And that will leave “the secrecy of NCMEC's database” as the only remaining technical measure securing Apple's encryption. But I'm going to tell you a secret: the really bad guys already have that database.
Matthew Green / @matthew_d_green: Some other folks have asked whether corporate and enterprise-managed devices will be subject to scanning. What I've heard is that enterprise customers are *very* surprised and upset. Apple hasn't announced if there will be an MDM setting to disable it.
Joe Rossignol / @rsgnl: There seems to be quite a lot of negative reaction to Apple's CSAM plans. I would be surprised if Apple doesn't respond somehow, be it a Tim Cook interview or delaying the plans entirely.
Sarah Jamie Lewis / @sarahjamielewis: Because, this thing isn't running in the cloud, it is running on your device and reporting back to Apple. Apple tells it what hashes are “crimelike” and with the help of your phone they learn a number. Your phone is co-opted into the surveillance network. https://twitter.com/...
Matthew Keys / @matthewkeyslive: The problem with Apple's decision to scan normally-encrypted data for child porn images isn't why they're doing it — it's that the backdoor opens the door for the feds to say, well, if Apple can do it for this, why can't they do it for other things? https://www.eff.org/... @EFF
Glenn Fleishman / @glennf: Looking to understand Apple's confusing and complicated new “child protection” initiatives? We at @TidBITS wrote a detailed set of questions & answers with what's known—and our concerns about Apple eroding its privacy promises. https://tidbits.com/...
Brianna Wu / @briannawu: Something I hope everyone on every side of the Apple photo surveillance issue can agree on. When I ran for Congress, I learned how little we know about what government can force giant tech companies to do behind closed doors. FISA courts, NSA, there is VERY LITTLE oversight.
Sarah Jamie Lewis / @sarahjamielewis: Even if you 100% trust Apple I think you could sketch up a dozen or so scenarios in which they are forced to use a different database set to compare against and *bam* all of a sudden it's a decentralized mass surveillance network, every authoritarians dream.
Sarah Jamie Lewis / @sarahjamielewis: So, there is our first (small) privacy leak. Each account will be associated with a number that relates to how many images they have that have perceptual hashes collisions in the database - with no way of knowing the actual odds of those collisions occurring.
Wayne Dixon / @waynedixon: @gruber @BriannaWu Actually it's not that difficult. You just login into https://appleid.apple.com/ and change the birthdate. I do not recall if you a parent has to confirm it or not. I have a test child iCloud account for development and I change it on a somewhat regular basis.
Edward Snowden / @snowden: Currently writing: Under His ‘i’ If you own an iPhone, you should probably make sure you're on the mailing list at https://edwardsnowden.substack.com/. https://twitter.com/...
Benedict Evans / @benedictevans: How long, exactly, did Tim try to see the other point of view here? https://twitter.com/...
Matthew Green / @matthew_d_green: @MarcoErmini To the general public there is a difference between “keep iCloud backup on because devices break and I don't want to lose my private photos” and “I want them scanned by Apple.” Apple assumed that due to past technical accidents the two were identical to the public. They aren't.
Matt Blaze / @mattblaze: Another frustrating aspect of anything involving CSAM is the implication that those warning about unintended consequences or technical failures are unconcerned about the problem or with protecting children. In fact, many of us have ourselves been victims of child abusers.
Roger McNamee / @moonalice: A terrific analysis of Apple's child safety initiatives by @gruber. Read it and you will understand. https://daringfireball.net/...
Matt Blaze / @mattblaze: A frustrating thing about most discussion of the Apple CSAM scanning scheme is the conflation of three different questions: - Will it have a significant impact on CSAM? - What new risks does it expose users to if it works correctly? - What are the new risks if something fails?
Matthew Green / @matthew_d_green: @MarcoErmini The system scans the photos on the phone. From a technical perspective it does not need to upload the photos to the cloud. Apple has *deployed* it this way, since they assume “turning on backup in case my device breaks” is equivalent to “consent for scanning.” My point: it's not.
@hardmaru: One Bad Apple “Apple says that they will scan your Apple device for CSAM material. If they find something that they think matches, then they will send it to Apple. You could have corporate confidential information and Apple may quietly take a copy of it.” https://www.hackerfactor.com/ ...
Aral Balkan / @aral: If you were to ask me who is a bigger threat to our human rights today, Google or Apple with these new plans, it's Apple, without a doubt. If you know anything about me or my work in the past decade you will understand exactly what that means. I'm as shocked as you (1/2)
Kate Bevan / @katebevan: This is good on Apple's move on CSAM: it captures the 3 diff things it's doing, & explains what's happening. I share its “slippery-slope” concerns, & will add that I dislike Apple's “if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear” response to critics https://daringfireball.net/...
Edward Snowden / @snowden: 🚨🚨 Apple says to “protect children,” they're updating every iPhone to continuously compare your photos and cloud storage against a secret blacklist. If it finds a hit, they call the cops. iOS will also tell your parents if you view a nude in iMessage. https://www.eff.org/...
Kontra / @counternotions: If you must read only one article to see the absurdity of the bombastic headline regurgitation currently being spewed about Apple's new child pron alerting system: https://daringfireball.net/...
Lawrence McDonald / @convertbond: How did Apple go from refusing to open locked iPhones for law enforcement in 2017, to scanning users photos for governments in 2021? https://www.google.com/...
Matt Blaze / @mattblaze: It appears that the text quoted here originated from NCMEC, not Apple (but was sent on some kind of internal Apple list). In any case, how dare they? There are serious concerns being raised by serious people here, and dismissing them as a “screeching minority” is just bad faith. https://twitter.com/...
Steven Aquino / @steven_aquino: I learned a helluva lot just now about Apple's upcoming child safety features by reading this brilliant @GlennF and @rmogull FAQ for TidBITS. A must-read story. (h/t @jsnell) https://tidbits.com/...
John Gruber / @gruber: @BriannaWu So I *think* this is why the Messages feature gives so much control to the kids, even those 12 and under. Control meaning that they always get a clear warning upon receiving or attempting to send a flagged image that proceeding will result in a notification to their parents.
Brianna Wu / @briannawu: @gruber Strongly agree, I can live with the design of iCloud as it exists - though what could happen next concerns me. It's the iMessage component that gives me far more pause.
John Gruber / @gruber: @BriannaWu That said, I *think* it's very difficult to change the age of a child's iCloud account. I forget why I tried that for my son a few years ago, but I gave up. (I wanted to make him “older” for something, but don't recall the details.)
Brianna Wu / @briannawu: 2/ I have a family member who enacted total lockdown on *everything* her child read. So when her child would go to the library to check out books, upon returning home she would pass them to my family member. She would then research *every single* book online and clear it.
Brianna Wu / @briannawu: 3/ Any discussion of sex, certainly any discussion of homosexuality, anything promoting a secular worldview would be censored. If you don't think parents like that are going to change their child's age in iCloud to create a permanent surveillance state, you're just wrong.
Brianna Wu / @briannawu: 1/ RE: Apple's plan to scan every photo in iMessage with machine learning and alert parents to nudity. I think a lot of well-meaning Silicon Valley people don't understand what life is like in the Religious Right South. Let me share so you can imagine how it will be misused.
John Gruber / @gruber: @BriannaWu Good thread. It has occurred to me that while the CSAM iCloud photo detection is the feature garnering the most attention, the Messages image detection for kids has more potential to be problematic *as it exists*.
Rene Ritchie / @reneritchie: If you're still confused by Apple's CSAM initiative, try looking at it through this lens: Apple can't abide known CSAM images on, or trafficked through, their servers, but they don't want to scan actual private user libraries to catch them, and this system solves for that
Jean-Louis Gassée / @gassee: Very useful/detailed John Gruber explanation. Also points to hasty/wrong/prejudiced WaPo article. https://twitter.com/...
Brianna Wu / @briannawu: This is my point. You can't think about these systems *AT THEIR BEST.* You have to ask hard questions about how they could be misused. As an industry, we massively suck at considering the downside. In this case, the downside is outed, potentially dead children. https://twitter.com/...
Dare Obasanjo / @carnage4life: @benedictevans Apple has insisted on defining privacy as “we can't see your data” then criticized Google & Facebook on privacy. However there's also “we protect your data from governments” where their track record is worse than others which is the elephant in the room for on-device scanning.
Dare Obasanjo / @carnage4life: @benedictevans @eric_seufert @TreyTitone Governments can ask them to scan for XYZ you've uploaded to iCloud today. Apple has opened the door to scanning content on your device. Even Gruber concedes this is new and now depends on how much you trust Apple to say “no” to various governments. https://daringfireball.net/...
Thaddeus E. Grugq / @thegrugq: @Paxxi @pwnallthethings And yet there's only 250 cases from iPhone. Which suggests that something isn't adding up with that narrative. The CSAM database can only find known CSAM photos that have been added. So new content won't get flagged, only existing content that has to come from somewhere
Thaddeus E. Grugq / @thegrugq: @Paxxi @pwnallthethings I'd like to know what those Facebook numbers represent. New CSAM? Or people uploading CSAM that gets flagged by the db? And how many users are doing this? I saw one number was 20m, but that can't be right. That's like the entire adult male population of Great Britain.
Thaddeus E. Grugq / @thegrugq: @Paxxi @pwnallthethings The real number is 236 in 1yr for iPhone. Which is a bit lower than 17m a month.
Pär Björklund / @paxxi: @thegrugq @pwnallthethings I meant that if Facebook detects that much, that's an indication of how prevalent it is on regular sites, no “dark web” required.
Pär Björklund / @paxxi: @thegrugq @pwnallthethings These numbers suggest it's common on regular services which is easily accessible on an iPhone. https://twitter.com/...
Alex Stamos / @alexstamos: @thegrugq @Paxxi @pwnallthethings The minority, but worst reports are those that involve the live abuse of a child. Those are often reported to NCMEC and also referred live to the relevant authorities by a combination of the child safety investigator (was part of my team) and law enforcement response (in legal).
Antonio García Martínez / @antoniogm: @benedictevans What about the on-device nature of it makes it worse? Assuming the cloud implementation scanned the same set of photos...
Profdeibert / @rondeibert: Correction: that memo was by MCMEC and not Apple. Still, poorly thought rollout by Apple.
Alex Stamos / @alexstamos: @thegrugq @Paxxi @pwnallthethings The vast majority of Facebook NCMEC reports are hits for known CSAM using a couple of different perceptual fingerprints using both NCMEC's and FB's own hash banks. What constitutes a “report”, which can have multiple images and IPs, is one of the data challenges.
Andrew Burke / @ajlburke: Here's a level-headed and detailed explanation about all the new Apple bad-image-detection features, including when one should actually start to worry, a startling revelation about existing FBI back-doors, and a good ol' take down of a sloppy journalist https://daringfireball.net/...
Benedict Evans / @benedictevans: The irony of Apple's theory that any analysis done on the device is automatically private and anything analysis in the cloud violates your privacy - they built a CSAM detection system that is *potentially* much worse for your privacy *because* it happens on your device
Rene Ritchie / @reneritchie: @charlesarthur @benedictevans My guess is that 1 is mainly Apple no longer being willing/able to tolerate CSAM on their servers and this is their engineering solution to that
Charles Arthur / @charlesarthur: @reneritchie @benedictevans I agree with Gruber's take that the 2018 delay on E2E iCloud backup encryption was done in order to incorporate this. The timings all feel right. I think there's probably been CSAM but it's been hard to action (can't be seen to root through iCloud photos). Now it can.
Charles Arthur / @charlesarthur: @benedictevans I doubt 2 would have much effect? Why do you think it would? Seems like 1 should have a dramatic effect of identifying offenders, if the proportion holding is anything like the FB/WApp numbers would imply.
Benedict Evans / @benedictevans: What's the net effect on CSAM on iOS of both: 1: on-device scanning of images uploaded to iCloud for matches to known CSAM and 2: iOS internet traffic going through a double-blind encrypted relay, so IP addresses can't ID users (And could Apple, politically, do 2 w/out 1?)
Joseph Cox / @josephfcox: Re-reading all of Apple's compromises in China to cater to the government there is interesting in light of the company making a system to scan for images stored on phones https://www.nytimes.com/... https://twitter.com/...
Carl Howe / @cdhowe: Unlike most of the alarmist pieces published this week, John @Gruber writes a comprehensive analysis of how Apple's new child safety initiatives actually work. Bottom line: while not perfect, it protects personal privacy a lot more than you think. https://daringfireball.net/...
Fernando / @fromjrtosr: Apple saying they will “reject any such demands from a government” is laughable at best and a flat out lie at worst. Once any government makes it a law for Apple to use a different set of hashes, what then? Are they stopping business in China? In the US? In the EU? Ridiculous. https://twitter.com/...
@simardcasanova: I'm a big fan of @apple and I use a ton of their products and services But on top of being creepy, we currently has zero *credible* reassurance that this system won't be weaponized by authoritarian regimes or used for unrelated purposes Maybe bc such a reassurance cannot exist https://twitter.com/...
Patrick Beja / @notpatrick: Probably the best summary I've seen of Apple's recently announced child safety initiatives, including where critics are excessive or plain wrong, as well as genuine concerns for potential abuse in the future. https://daringfireball.net/...
Alex Stamos / @alexstamos: Let's talk about Apple's new controversial child safety proposals! Join @Riana_Crypto, @kingjen, @matthew_d_green and me at 4pm PT / 7pm ET at this live stream. We will take questions from the live chat or tweet to us here! https://www.youtube.com/...
Aral Balkan / @aral: are. I do not say this lightly or take any pleasure whatsoever in saying it. I cannot stress enough how important it is that this line does not get crossed. https://appleprivacyletter.com/ (2/2)
Sarah Jamie Lewis / @sarahjamielewis: Clearly a rubicon moment for privacy and end-to-end encryption. I worry if Apple faces anything other than existential annihilation for proposing continual surveillance of private messages then it won't be long before other providers feel the pressure to do the same.
Nadim Kobeissi / @kaepora: We are now at over 3,000 screeching voices of the minority! We tried to vet every signature. Our open letter now illustrates a very strong opposition to Apple's new content screening measures. Thanks @Snowden for keeping me and @georgionic up all night! https://appleprivacyletter.com/
Thaddeus E. Grugq / @thegrugq: @pwnallthethings Is CASM on iPhones a big problem? How do they get it there from the dark web? Don't pedos believe this capability already exists and avoid iPhones to begin with?
Arnold Kim / @arnoldkim: Great overview and take on Apple CSAM stuff by @gruber - Apple's messaging/clarity on this could have been much much better, but it's not entirely a messaging issue. https://daringfireball.net/...
Matt Rosoff / @mattrosoff: Amazing how many sources got this story completely abjectly wrong. The slippery slope arguments are reasonable and worth considering—but if you don't get the technology, you can't even begin to plausibly make those arguments. https://daringfireball.net/...
Matthew Green / @matthew_d_green: NCMEC also needs to dial it down a lot. This is offensive. Your job is not to toss civil society and Apple's customers under the bus. https://www.google.com/... https://twitter.com/...
Curtis Herbert / @parrots: If you're like me you might have had a hard time cutting through the noise to understand exactly what is going on. This is a very good piece breaking down exactly what Apple is doing, and what they can and cannot see. A good 101 before convos about pros and cons and slopes. https://twitter.com/...
Joseph Cox / @josephfcox: We previously obtained a sample of malware deployed in Xinjiang that scans phones for 70,000 specific files related to politics, Uighurs, etc. Why wouldn't Chinese authorities try to get Apple to leverage its new child abuse system to instead fulfil this https://www.vice.com/...
@migueldeicaza: The EU is actively working on legislation on this regard, so I am now convinced that this is Apple influencing the outcome so we don't end up with the equivalent of the cookie pop up for photos and messages: https://ec.europa.eu/... and https://www.consilium.europa.eu/ ...
Tim Culpan / @tculpan: Apple 2021 is starting to feel like Microsoft circa 2000. Strong with overtones of bully. Use a known atrocity to push acceptance of their own tech agenda. Stand up against the agenda and you're painted as in favor of the atrocity. Back then it was anti-P2P, now pic scanning.
Matt Blaze / @mattblaze: The only think preventing this scheme from scanning local photos (which Apple never previously had access to) is the policy and the integrity of the code. Both those things warrant close scrutiny.
Profdeibert / @rondeibert: Apple's solution to a serious, harmful problem (child sexual exploitation) is alarming b/c of the door it opens to other surveillance, and the risks around what countries like China will do with it, once opened. As @josephfcox points out, these are not hypothetical concerns: https://twitter.com/...
Sami Fathi / @samifathi_: What isn't getting talked about is the real-world impact CSAM scanning will have. Think about the children who have been exploited and the scars they'll have for the rest of their lives. If finding pedophiles means Apple needs to do on-device processing of photos, then so be it.
Julian Sanchez / @normative: If everything operates precisely as Apple intends, scanning client-side is at worst an accounting detail & at best enables greater privacy. If everything does not operate precisely as Apple intends, moving scans client-side is a dangerous Rubicon to cross.
Julian Sanchez / @normative: I should add, because a couple folks have noted this: IF this were implemented only as Apple intends and for the purposes it states, then yes, this would be functionally identical to the sort of scanning that's routine on platforms & cloud storage services....
Matthew Green / @matthew_d_green: I spoke to talk radio in LA about Apple's scanning system. I was steeling myself to explain how the tech is problematic even if it might catch some bad people. I didn't need to. They asked me how to disable it.
Peter Sterne🌹 / @petersterne: @SwiftOnSecurity The memo demonstrates that Apple is proud to work with NCMEC, a group that disdains privacy and security advocates. But it's a bit of a leap to say that Apple shares NCMEC's extreme views. Apple itself didn't refer to critics as a “screeching minority”.
Jon Prosser / @jon_prosser: This is what the NCMEC said in a memo to Apple in response to the backlash to Apple's photo scanning 👇 Absolutely gross to frame this as “good vs. evil” and call fair criticism “screeching voices” Fuuuuuuuck that. Read the full article here: https://www.frontpagetech.com/ ... https://twitter.com/...
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Stephen Warwick / iMore: Epic Games CEO criticizes Apple's iCloud, claims Child Safety scans emails
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SoS / @swiftonsecurity: #MUSTREAD on recent child-focused Apple features and their disastrous rollout that has destroyed so much nuance and legitimate issues from all perspectives. By someone who has has to deal with the victims and the technology. Thought provoking and strips away theoretics. https://twitter.com/...
Chris Eng / @chriseng: Finally something that isn't a knee jerk reaction to the new Apple child safety features. There are complex tradeoffs and this thread captures many of them. https://twitter.com/...
Ben Adida / @benadida: So many needlessly tribal fights. Voting: security vs. accessibility. Covid+kids: learning vs. safety. CSAM: privacy vs. protecting kids. We all need to commit to engaging with open minds. We have more common goals than stark differences.
@pinboard: The governance problem here is we have six or seven giant companies that can make unilateral decisions with enormous social impact, and no way of influencing those decisions beyond asking nicely for them to come talk to the affected parties before they act.
Matthew Green / @matthew_d_green: I really want a “screeching voice of the minority” Apple T-shirt, but I'm graphically challenged.
Matthew Green / @matthew_d_green: @benadida Tough when you spend two years thinking and writing about an issue, engaging in workshops with people like @alexstamos. And then you're handed the decision by a faceless multinational company operating a PR operation.
Chris Messina / @chrismessina: Is it Apple's turn to move fast and break things? https://twitter.com/...
SoS / @swiftonsecurity: Apple leadership did not fully and clearly engage with the problems, and screwed everybody including employees who designed some actually thought-through implementations. I'm not even going to fight people about this stuff. This stupid boxing ring was built to collapse on us all. https://twitter.com/...
Alex Stamos / @alexstamos: I think this is a real shame. I hope that @wcathcart doesn't just use this misstep as a revenge for Apple's preachy privacy marketing, and instead commits WhatsApp to exploring ML mechanisms that work on behalf of the user with their consent. https://twitter.com/...
Rob Duhart Jr / @robduhart: This is an important and nuanced discussion. I began my career investigating Digital Crimes Against Children at the FBI. It was a life altering experience. Not choosing sides but well worth critical analysis considering victims, user privacy, and E2EE platform responsibility. https://twitter.com/...
Rene Ritchie / @reneritchie: Irony is Google, Microsoft, Facebook, etc. been scanning for CSAM for a decade. Apple didn't want violate privacy by scanning full server libraries, so they waited until they could engineer what they believed to be a privacy-centric solution And many see it as a worse violation https://twitter.com/...
Alex Stamos / @alexstamos: I also don't understand why Apple is pushing the CSAM scanning for iCloud into the device, unless it is in preparation for real encryption of iCloud backups. A reasonable target should be scanning shared iCloud albums, which could be implemented server-side.
Chris Vickery / @vickerysec: I will absolutely do it. I will roll my eyes and let out a heavy *sigh* every single time a tech company, politician, or law enforcement agency leverages “for the children” in order to place yet another boot on the throat of privacy. https://twitter.com/...
Daphne Keller / @daphnehk: My colleague @alexstamos unpacks the wealth of nuance being lost in discussions of Apple's sudden, weirdly designed CSAM scanning change. https://twitter.com/...
Alex Stamos / @alexstamos: In any case, coming out of the gate with non-consensual scanning of local photos, and creating client-side ML that won't provide a lot of real harm prevention, means that Apple might have just poisoned the well against any use of client-side classifiers to protect users.
@pinboard: But the problem is there's no way to close the loop right now, to make it so that if Apple or Facebook or Google inflict huge social harm, their bottom line suffers, or their execs go to jail, or they lose all their customers. Profits accrue while social impacts are externalized
Patrick Howell O'Neill / @howelloneill: This was a good conversation on Apple's new child safety announcement. Very smart folks with a variety of expertise and POVs including @alexstamos who has worked in the trenches of trust and safety and talks about the horrifying reality of the harm https://www.youtube.com/...
Dino A. Dai Zovi / @dinodaizovi: Reading through Apple's Platform Security docs for iCloud*, it seems like server-side CSAM scanning of iCloud Photos would be cumbersome and expensive for Apple, so I'm betting client-side scanning is an optimization. _________________________ * https://support.apple.com/... https://twitter.com/...
@pinboard: The way we find out about these technology impacts is by rolling them out worldwide and then seeing what social and political changes result. It's certainly a bracing way to run experiments, with no Institutional Review Board to bog everything down with pessimism and bureaucracy
@pinboard: Since these platforms and devices are global, sometimes that impact takes place in contexts that none of the people working on the technology even know exists. If Facebook moves groups to full E2E, or Apple shifts content monitoring from to devices, the decision is unilateral
@pinboard: I attended one of these meetings (working on an article that later got spiked), listened to FBI, big tech, and privacy advocates all speak up, and was very impressed with how it was conducted. The issue is genuinely difficult. Alex Stamos's thread here is very much worth reading. https://twitter.com/...
Lukasz Olejnik / @lukolejnik: @alexstamos ... I pay attention to these. But nothing could prepare anybody to a pretty much all-out-of-sudden announcement of a system shipping in a few weeks, with powerful capabilities but rather unclear governance/oversight structure. I'm pretty surprised in light of previous messages.
Joseph Menn / @josephmenn: Thoughtful thread by @alexstamos on this. He has been working on these issues for years, trying to protect kids from horrible abuse without serving the cause of mass surveillance. Apple not participating and then coming out of nowhere with its own elegant/odd thing is so...Apple. https://twitter.com/...
David Thiel / @elegant_wallaby: Anyway, thanks to @Riana_Crypto @matthew_d_green and @alexstamos for the thoughtful discussion. Good points all around, even if we're on slightly different pages. 15/15 https://www.youtube.com/...
@pwnallthethings: @alexstamos Yup. EU, India, and Brazil are probably the main motivators. AUS/UK/US are noisy but with little bite. China is regularly invoked, but tech's relationship with PRC is v bespoke and the options investigated and deployed there are mostly orthogonal to the rest of the discussion.
Alex Stamos / @alexstamos: I have friends at both the EFF and NCMEC, and I am disappointed with both NGOs at the moment. Their public/leaked statements leave very little room for conversation, and Apple's public move has pushed them to advocate for their equities to the extreme.
Alex Stamos / @alexstamos: I have an entire lecture on live abuse, and I can't replicate the whole thing here, but here is a very stark description of what that can look like. Content Warning: Really horrible child abuse. https://storage.courtlistener.com/ ...
Alex Stamos / @alexstamos: Instead, we get an ML system that is only targeted at <13 year-olds (not the largest group of sextortion/grooming targets in my experience), that gives kids a choice they aren't equipped to make, and notifies parents instead of Apple T&S.
Alex Stamos / @alexstamos: Likewise, the leaked message from NCMEC to Apple's employees calling legitimate questions about the privacy impacts of this move “the screeching voices of the minority” was both harmful and unfair. https://9to5mac.com/...
Alex Stamos / @alexstamos: One of the basic problems with Apple's approach is that they seem desperate to avoid building a real trust and safety function for their communications products. There is no mechanism to report spam, death threats, hate speech, NCII, or any other kinds of abuse on iMessage.
Alex Stamos / @alexstamos: This is also a good reminder for privacy and security folks to pay more attention to the global regulatory environment. While the PRC has been invoked a lot, I expect that the UK Online Safety Bill and EU Digital Services Act were much more important to Apple's considerations.
@pwnallthethings: WhatsApp: Apple is bad for scanning for CSAM. This is the wrong approach and we would *never* do this. WhatsApp (but quieter) in 2018: we also do this and have since 2011. https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/ ... https://twitter.com/...
Wagatwe Wanjuki / @wagatwe: There's already been a lot of smart commentary on why this is a terrible idea. But I also wanted to add another piece of context: Violence against women and children is often used as an excuse to expand state surveillance without actually helping. https://www.apple.com/...
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Scott Rosenberg / Axios: Apple's child safety moves stir praise and protests
Source Code / Protocol: Apple puts its privacy reputation on the line
Robert McMillan / Wall Street Journal: WhatsApp Rejects Apple's Approach on Exploitative Images of Children
Tim Hardwick / MacRumors: Apple Publishes FAQ to Address Concerns About CSAM Detection and Messages Scanning
Steve Vegvari / iPhone in Canada Blog: Letter to Apple Asking to Halt Implementation of Child Safety Scanning Features Gains More than 5000 Signatures
Usama Jawad / Neowin: Open letter demanding Apple stop deployment of photo scanning tech gets 5,000 signatures
Kevin Shalvey / Insider: Open letter criticizing Apple's plan to scan iPhones for child sexual abuse material attracts 5,000 signatures
Malcolm Owen / AppleInsider: Epic Games CEO slams Apple ‘government spyware’
Stephen Warwick / iMore: Thousands sign open letter to Apple demanding halt to CSAM scanning
Philip Elmer-DeWitt / Philip Elmer‑DeWitt: Apple's new CSAM detection features pass John Gruber's smell test, but...
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Aral Balkan / @aral: on the App Store... If Apple goes ahead with its plans to have your devices violate your trust and work against your interests, I will not write another line of code for their platforms ever again. https://appleprivacyletter.com/ (2/2)
@suw: I just love all the people who say “Just ditch your Apple products” in response to their screwing with our privacy (details: https://appleprivacyletter.com/ ). Sure, you wanna give me the $$$ it would cost me to replace all my Apple gear, software and compensate for lost productivity?
Aral Balkan / @aral: the minority." Join us! Let's show King Tim what the screeching minority thinks of his plans to violate personhood in the digital network age. https://appleprivacyletter.com/ (2/2)
Edward Snowden / @snowden: If you have a @github account, you can co-sign this letter for technologists and security experts opposing @Apple's plan. I did. https://appleprivacyletter.com/
@migueldeicaza: I only caught the last part, but this was a great conversation, I did like the parting thoughts from the speakers at the end: https://twitter.com/...
Adam Bodnar / @ambodnar: @Techmeme That headline should be clarified that most of the signees are individuals, not organizations. Saying orgs puts a lot more weight than actually is.
Nadim Kobeissi / @kaepora: The Apple Privacy Letter's raised 4200+ signatures within 24 hours. Interested to see whether Apple will turn a deaf ear (having already called folks “a screeching minority") next week or whether they'll address the issue. If you still haven't signed: 👇 https://appleprivacyletter.com/
Alex Stamos / @alexstamos: Likewise, I am both happy to see Apple finally take some responsibility for the impacts of their massive communication platform, and frustrated with the way they went about it. They both moved the ball forward technically while hurting the overall effort to find policy balance.
Alex Stamos / @alexstamos: Apple was invited but declined to participate in these discussions, and with this announcement they just busted into the balancing debate and pushed everybody into the furthest corners with no public consultation or debate. https://twitter.com/...
Jim Hanson / @jimhansondc: Great marketing @Apple How dare you screeching proles think we'll abuse your privacy while we're snooping in your files What are you hiding? Say no to #ThoughtPolice https://appleprivacyletter.com/ I own a ton of Apple gear & storage I will sh*tcan all of it if they do this https://twitter.com/...
Edward Snowden / @snowden: If you have a @github account, you can join me in co-signing the first letter uniting security & privacy experts, researchers, professors, policy advocates, and consumers against @Apple's planned moves against all of our privacy. https://appleprivacyletter.com/
Edward Snowden / @snowden: Unbelievable: @Apple now circulating a propaganda letter describing the internet-wide opposition to their decision to start checking the private files on every iPhone against a secret government blacklist as “the screeching voices of the minority.” This has become a scandal. https://twitter.com/...
@austen: No no no. Apple isn't doing something nasty like having a back door on your phone that uploads your images to the cloud scanning and calling the police on you. That would be evil. Big brother! Instead, no backdoor is needed because the phone does it automatically. Privacy! https://twitter.com/...
Edward Snowden / @snowden: The media is beginning to write with noticeably more skepticism about @Apple's plan to transform your iPhone into a spyPhone. Keep pushing! https://www.mediaite.com/...
Louie Mantia, Jr / @mantia: If you work for Apple and they value you, they won't fire you. And if they do, then you have a really good reason for being fired. You probably have enough money saved until you find a new job. What good is having power and privilege if you don't use it when it's needed?
Louie Mantia, Jr / @mantia: I haven't worked at Apple in 10 years and *I* feel bad about this. I feel bad that I contributed even the most trivial visual details, that in the aggregate work to gain customers' trust. Now Apple seeks to erode that trust? I feel bad for contributing to it.
Louie Mantia, Jr / @mantia: Apple employees who don't speak up when something this bad happens are protecting their own best interest. They don't want to say anything that could jeopardize their employment. But the alternative is taking money to stay quiet while your coworkers build a surveillance tool.
Louie Mantia, Jr / @mantia: I haven't seen any Apple employees publicly criticize this new policy. I know we shouldn't expect that. But it's also kind of... horrible that we cannot expect that. Apple employees surely are themselves angry, but are silenced by their employment.
Julian Sanchez / @normative: And a whole bunch of the arguments Apple deployed in the San Bernardino encryption case don't obviously apply if they've already built the scan architecture & a government is just adding items to a preexisting list.
Joseph Menn / @josephmenn: We have so many important fights taking place in secret courts that it is theoretically possible that Apple's surprising device-scanning system was hatched to settle some hidden legal demand. Probably not, but still. Not a good method for technology or democracies to develop.
Julian Sanchez / @normative: I'm curious how far they've thought out the legal end of this. A government (ours or an uglier one) approaches Apple with a court order saying “here's a list of hash values we want you to add to the scan list you're pushing out”. Can they refuse? Or even tell anyone?
Louie Mantia, Jr / @mantia: Apple making a process to scan hashes won't solve many actual problems, but gives up everything they stood for. I'm uninterested in debate or replies. If you wanna argue with someone, argue with someone else.
Rene Ritchie / @reneritchie: @BriannaWu Yeah, I tend towards privacy extremism. My guess here is Apple could not longer abide CSAM on their servers and this was the best engineering solution they could come up with to avoid scanning libraries online as others do. Feels like a loss though.
Louie Mantia, Jr / @mantia: I have no patience for people who won't see how this is going to do more harm than good. Apple building any way to scan images will become a larger problem. There's no reason to believe people who possess these images won't... just simply stop using Apple products.
Brianna Wu / @briannawu: 2/ It's a hard subject to talk about, but I do think teenagers having some measure privacy and autonomy on figuring out their sexuality is normal and healthy. It's just so easy to imagine ways this could be abused.
Brianna Wu / @briannawu: I spoke with @MissEmmaMcG about the ways Apple's “child protection” technology could be used to hurt LGBT children. Also, @Snowden showed how these technologies are used to spy on other countries in the name of “national security.” https://blog.avast.com/...
@feross: I'm incredibly disappointed that this was approved and built by @Apple. The short-sightedness is staggering. How can they think governments won't demand to expand this? Before today, I believed that Apple genuinely cared about my privacy. But no more. This is a disaster. 5/5 https://twitter.com/...
@pwnallthethings: The alternative to this system is not a world where Apple abandons the first principle; its unsustainable. It's one where they quietly drop the second. And if you care about privacy, them bridging the gap in a way that brings the scanning on device instead of on server is a win.
Dave Zatz / @davezatz: @Techmeme @rsgnl How many photos does Apple process through iCloud in a given year? Is an actual user-uploaded photo presented within the report for Apple employees to view? https://twitter.com/...
@pwnallthethings: Apples approach bridges the gap to avoid abandoning either. In effect, scanning the content prior to *upload* on *their own service* that until now was functionally breaking principle 2 so that their service can be designed to honor principle 2 in future without the conflict
@pwnallthethings: Most companies resolve this conflict by dropping one of those principles. Some decide to not do scanning; treating the social harm as an externality or pretending it is not real. Others quietly drop plans to not fully encrypt.
@pwnallthethings: Fundamentally this technology is attempting to bridge the gap between two very strong social principles. The first is that the child abuse image problem is real and very, very large, involving extraordinary damage to a really depressingly large number of children.
Tim Sweeney / @timsweeneyepic: It's atrocious how Apple vacuums up everybody's data into iCloud by default, hides the 15+ separate options to turn parts of it off in Settings underneath your name, and forces you to have an unwanted email account. Apple would NEVER allow a third party to ship an app like this.
Pieter Friedrich / @friedrichpieter: Aside from the shock that @Apple plans to expose every user to snooping powers which can & will inevitably be used to target dissidents, I still don't understand how the US thinks a good way to stop child abuse is to create a centralized database full of pictures of child abuse. https://twitter.com/...
@feross: Now that Apple has willingly built spyware into iOS and macOS, within 10 years this tech will: (1) be mandated by government in all end-to-end encrypted apps; and (2) expand to scan for terrorism, disinformation, “misinformation”, then eventually political images and memes. 1/5
Nadim Kobeissi / @kaepora: @cronokirby This memo genuinely makes me angry. Not Internet angry, not outrage angry, but genuine real anger. Imagine being so blind and short-sighted, imagine standing up the entire security & privacy community and then writing that off as “the screeching voices of the minority.”
Nadim Kobeissi / @kaepora: If you too want to be part of the screeching voices of the minority, sign the open Apple Privacy Letter: https://appleprivacyletter.com/
Nadim Kobeissi / @kaepora: Pretty incredible how quiet all the folks who were angry at Apple for hiring Antonio Garcia-Martinez are being now that Apple's setting a radically different precedent for local content privacy and then calling the security community “the screeching minority” for pushing back
Nadim Kobeissi / @kaepora: I'm not only going to die on this hill. I'm going to die on this hill, become a remnant ghost unable to ascend from the mortal realm, haunt the hill, and keep tormenting everyone else on the hill until Apple walks back this insanely short-sighted precedent.
Matthew Green / @matthew_d_green: The fact that internal memos about content scanning are leaking from Apple does not say good things about support for those policies internally. https://www.google.com/...
@stevestreza: Ah yes, the Apple that infamously and repeatedly has bent over backwards to give China deep access to device and cloud data, we're supposed to trust their spyware because lawyers got involved. Apple is not a privacy company. https://twitter.com/...
Khaos Tian / @khaost: It's really cute that Apple keeps defending the system like this, as if once an authoritarian government passes the law to require device manufacturers to scan for other stuff, the system itself will prevent that from happening. https://twitter.com/...
Danny Lopez / @danny76lopez: @MacRumors @rsgnl So @apple wont unlock a mass shooters Iphone citing privacy and the slippery slope but they are happy to scan everyones images for potential child porn. Kinda like the double standard for privacy they have in China. What am I missing?
@bascule: Oh cool, so the counterargument to people's concerns about Apple devices policing photos using a cryptographic Rube Goldberg machine is... an ad hominem https://twitter.com/...
@11rcombs: NCMEC executive director calls people worried about tech companies scanning every photo on your phone “the screeching voices of the minority”, in a note an apple VP calls “incredibly motivating” https://9to5mac.com/...
Nilay Patel / @reckless: Really seems like Apple tried to protect customer data in the cloud by scanning for illegal material locally on the phone, thereby creating a new kind of risk for customer data on the phone.
Tim Bradshaw / @tim: Latest reaction to Apple's child safety plans: EU👍 India 😍 UK 🥳 rest of Big Tech 😱 WhatsApp 🤬 https://www.ft.com/...
Charles Arthur / @charlesarthur: Interesting WhatsApp declaration. Cathcart links to a blogpost (CEI = child exploitation imagery, same thing as CSAM = child sexual abuse material). Note the number of accounts zapped *per month*. https://twitter.com/... https://twitter.com/...
@pinboard: @charlesarthur @mathewi It's the same issue as with FaceID; the fact that the locus of the scanning has moved to the device is highly significant no matter how many safeguards Apple thinks they're putting around it, or how limited the initial scope. It is a big deal and people are correct to freak out.
Kurt Opsahl / @kurtopsahl: WhatsApp gives a strong no to client-side scanning. “It's not how technology built in free countries works.” https://twitter.com/...
Will Cathcart / @wcathcart: Apple has long needed to do more to fight CSAM, but the approach they are taking introduces something very concerning into the world.
Tom Warren / @tomwarren: the head of WhatsApp has concerns about Apple's image scanning approach. “Apple has long needed to do more to fight CSAM, but the approach they are taking introduces something very concerning into the world.” https://twitter.com/...
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Indonesian crypto assets service Pintu closes a $35M Series A+ led by Lightspeed Ventures, two months after a $6M Series A — Just two months after its last funding announcement, Indonesian crypto assets platform Pintu has closed a $35 million Series A+. The new round was led by Lightspeed Ventures … More:
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Firefox for Desktop lost ~46M MAUs, dropping from ~244M MAUs in Dec. 2018 to ~198M MAUs in July 2021, as users moved to Chrome and Chromium-based browsers — Mozilla's Firefox is losing users big time since 2018, why are users moving away from it? Is this something to be worried about?
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Kenneth Seward Jr / Tom's Guide: Firefox is bleeding users — 46 million lost in three years
Jorge Jimenez / PC Gamer: Firefox has lost 46M users over the last three years
Kevin Raposo / KnowTechie: Firefox is bleeding users - 46 million people ditched the browser since 2018
Brianna Provenzano / Gizmodo: Yikes, Firefox Lost 46 Million Users in the Last Three Years
Jess Weatherbed / TechRadar: Firefox is great, so why has it lost almost 50 million users?
Clayton Cyre / Game Rant: Firefox Web Browser Has Lost 46 Million Users | Game Rant
Rob Thubron / TechSpot: 46 million people have left Firefox since 2018
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@lightbwk: I don't care if Firefox is declining. It is just ahead when it comes to online safety & privacy. Containers to keep data isolated, very strict privacy protection, not controlled by big data. Saving me many times from online carelessness. https://twitter.com/...
Mark Torromeo / @marktorromeo: @Techmeme @ankush_soul Throughout the years i've regularly switched to other web browsers and i repeatable find that firefix is consistantly, noticebly better. Considering the privacy and corporate manipulation issues of today, I think its crazy that anyone would use anything but firefox.
Than R. / @thanr: I actually moved back to Firefox from Chrome a few years ago. It's waaaaaaaay faster. Plus the Android app supports extensions. I get the built-in tracker blocker + uBlock Origin + Privacy Badger everywhere. https://www.pcgamer.com/...
Fabrice Neuman / @fabriceneuman: @Techmeme @ankush_soul Well I just took the reverse route. #switchtofirefox Everybody should try the @firefox containers!
Chris Short / @chrisshort: Recommended Read: Firefox Lost Almost 50 million Users: Here's Why It is Concerning https://news.itsfoss.com/...
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Sources: Cloud Village, the music streaming arm of Chinese gaming giant NetEase, is postponing the launch of its $1B Hong Kong IPO — - Cloud Village tested investor demand for the IPO last week — Tech shares have been hit by Chinese regulatory clampdownMore:
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Call center operator Teleperformance, which counts Apple, Amazon, and Uber as clients, wants to monitor staff working from home in Colombia, via AI-powered cams — Colombia-based call center workers who provide outsourced customer service to some of the nation's largest companies … More:
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Olivia Solon / @oliviasolon: NEW: Contracted call center workers for tech companies including Apple, Amazon and Uber were pressured to consent to intrusive surveillance in their homes, including consenting to their children being filmed https://www.nbcnews.com/...
Jathan Sadowski / @jathansadowski: When asked about workplace surveillance, I always point to call centers as a progenitor for so much of this “productivity monitoring” technology. Once again, that industry is on the cutting edge of the most intrusive innovations on the market. So wild. https://www.nbcnews.com/... https://twitter.com/...
@uniglobalunion: When companies like #Teleperformance use software to monitor workers “it's much more intrusive than surveillance conducted by a boss,” @veenadubal told NBC's @oliviasolon. It's one reason TP Colombia🇨🇴 workers are organizing. Read more👇 https://www.nbcnews.com/...
Sarah Goodyear / @buttermilk1: this is the kind of thing i worry about with work from home exploding the way it is. employers are going to assert ownership of people's personal spaces. meanwhile, workers shoulder the cost of creating a functional work environment. https://twitter.com/...
Dare Obasanjo / @carnage4life: @VanityTrophies @thechiaman I can take a picture of a computer screen fairly easily. Should Apple risk a repeat of the Fappening because employees want to work from home? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...
@techwontsaveus: “The contract allows monitoring by AI-powered cameras in workers' homes, voice analytics and storage of data collected from the worker's family members, including minors.” Based in Colombia, the workers provide support for Apple, Amazon, and Uber. https://www.nbcnews.com/...
Nandini B. / @nandelabra: Solidarity to comrades fighting tech surveillance supremacy in Colombia ✊🏽 https://twitter.com/...
Eva / @evacide: The bossware forced on call center workers who are working from home is frequently unnecessarily invasive. Do executives working from home face this kind of scrutiny? Nope. https://twitter.com/...
Dan Gillmor / @dangillmor: Reminder — again — that Apple is fundamentally just as contemptuous of working people as the rest of corporate America. (Amazon and Uber have long been known for this.) https://twitter.com/...
Hypervisible Dot Pdf / @hypervisible: “The contract allows monitoring by AI-powered cameras in workers' homes, voice analytics and storage of data collected from the worker's family members, including minors.” https://twitter.com/...
Dare Obasanjo / @carnage4life: This is one of those issues with real trade offs that the media rarely frames. Do you want the Apple employee responsible for reviewing the CSAM false positives in your iCloud photos doing so from home without supervision? I doubt it. Should they not work from home then? 😬 https://twitter.com/...
Albert Fox Cahn / @foxcahn: This is grotesque. No one should be allowed to pressure their employees into having a surveillance camera in their bedroom. The potential for abuse here is endless. https://twitter.com/...
Olivia Solon / @oliviasolon: Uber was the only company to tell me it requested additional monitoring for home workers. Both Apple & Amazon said they did not require this monitoring. Teleperformance said it hadn't yet rolled it out, but was futureproofing its employee data policies https://www.nbcnews.com/...
Olivia Solon / @oliviasolon: The contract workers (many of whom work out of their bedrooms) had to sign covers off all kinds of AI-powered video monitoring to make sure they don't have phones or paper on their desks - items restricted by Teleperformance's security policies https://www.nbcnews.com/...
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India's Supreme Court rules that Amazon and Walmart's Flipkart must face antitrust investigations ordered against them last year by the competition commission — Amazon.com Inc (AMZN.O) and Walmart's (WMT.N) Flipkart must face antitrust investigations ordered against them in India … More:
Soumyarendra Barik / Entrackr: Supreme Court rejects Amazon, Flipkart pleas against CCI antitrust probe
Upmanyu Trivedi / Bloomberg: Amazon, Flipkart to Face India Antitrust Probe After Court Order
Debarghya Sil / Inc42 Media: Supreme Court Gives Nod To CCI To Probe Amazon & Flipkart
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Aditya Kalra / @adityakalra: India's Supreme Court says antitrust probe of Amazon, Flipkart must continue, in a major setback for the two e-commerce giants. The Chief Justice says big organisations like Amazon/Flipkart have to volunteer for inquiry, “you don't even want (an) inquiry.” https://www.reuters.com/...
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Bangalore-based UpGrad, an edtech startup that specializes in higher education and upskilling courses, raises $185M led by Temasek at a $1.2B valuation — UpGrad, a Bangalore-based startup that specializes in higher education and upskilling courses, said on Monday it has raised $185 million … More:
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Alibaba fires manager who is accused of rape by a female employee, after the allegation led to a police investigation; two execs also resigned for mismanagement — - Female staff accused boss of rape after drinking with client — Two executives who mishandled allegation have also resignedMore:
Campbell Kwan / ZDNet: Beijing files lawsuit accusing WeChat's youth mode of breaching child protection laws
Arjun Kharpal / CNBC: Alibaba fires manager accused of sexual assault; CEO calls for change after ‘shameful’ incident
Reuters: Rocked by sexual assault allegation, Alibaba launches investigation, suspends several staff
Jane Zhang / South China Morning Post: Alibaba fires manager accused of rape amid social media firestorm
Benzinga: Alibaba Fires Manager Accused Of Rape Amid Widening Concerns Over Women Safety At Company: Report
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China sues Tencent, claiming WeChat's “youth mode” does not comply with the country's laws protecting minors — Beijing prosecutors initiated a civil public-interest lawsuit against a Tencent (0700.HK) subsidiary on Friday, saying the “youth mode” on the company's popular social …
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Despite claims of diversity and inclusion, Asian Americans in Silicon Valley still face racism and are least likely to break into leadership positions — Tech companies love to crow about diversity and inclusion. Workers see a racist “bait and switch.” — Silicon Valley executives sometimes seem … Tweets:
Siri Srinivas / @pjux: Good on @Priyasideas and @ellenhuet for tackling the story almost nobody else wants to touch — all the complicated ways in which Asians (especially women) are pushed back in the tech industry https://www.bloomberg.com/...
Ron Miller / @ron_miller: Excellent report from Bloomberg on the challenges faced by Asian Americans in tech. There is reason diversity is more than a numbers game. It's also about equity, inclusion and especially belonging. We have a lot of work to do. https://www.bloomberg.com/...
Amy Chang / @quelquefois: Solid read about realities that Asians and Asian Americans face in tech (and honestly, everywhere): Tech companies love to crow about diversity and inclusion. Asian workers see a racist “bait and switch.” https://www.bloomberg.com/...
Ellen K. Pao / @ekp: Thank you to @ellenhuet and @Priyasideas for covering how tech bias and harm impacts Asian Americans. And also to @bosefina, @ericbahn, @hjzhu and @jzmusings for also speaking up about their experiences so fewer people will have to suffer https://twitter.com/...
Thequest.Media / @thequestmedia: SILICON VALLEY'S DIVERSITY PROBLEM ‘AA are the least likely of all racial groups to break into leadership in tech companies. At FB, where 46% of U.S. workers are Asian, only 26% are director-level or higher’. What can be done better? https://www.bloomberg.com/...
@bw: Tech companies love to crow about diversity and inclusion. Asian workers see a racist “bait and switch.” https://www.bloomberg.com/...
Priya Anand / @priyasideas: Asian Americans in Silicon Valley are often told they “dont count” as a minority. Yet they face subtle but ever-present discrimination. @ellenhuet and I dug into what it's like to be the majority minority in Silicon Valley for @BW https://www.bloomberg.com/...
Ericbahn.Eth / @ericbahn: Thank you @ellenhuet for your thorough work on this big story. Grateful to be featured alongside these fine humans. https://twitter.com/...
Ken Yeung / @thekenyeung: “Making things more maddening for those who experience it is that anti-Asian racism is barely acknowledged.” https://www.bloomberg.com/...
Josh Eidelson / @josheidelson: “Being White, she says, is 'like having a skip pass at Disney World. I realized there is a bamboo ceiling, and I'd have to work 100 times harder.'” https://www.bloomberg.com/... @ellenhuet @Priyasideas @BW https://twitter.com/...
Ken Yeung / @thekenyeung: Many Asian Americans in tech, especially women, face subtle yet ever-present discrimination. It takes many forms: sexualized comments, assumptions based on stereotypes..., or perf. reviews that seem to be more about identity than actual performance... https://www.bloomberg.com/...
Rajiv Malhotra / @rajivmessage: Well researched article on racial discrimination against Asian Americans in Silicon Valley. Things were much worse in the 1970s when I was a top corporate executive in tech, at a time when hardly any Indians worked in CEO/COO levels in USA. https://www.bloomberg.com/...
Tracy Chou / @triketora: “You're so lucky to be Asian,” a man at a meetup told her. “White men here will love to date you.” >> how many times have i heard this....... https://www.bloomberg.com/...
@kikutowne: This feels infuriatingly relatable from the very first sentence: “Silicon Valley executives sometimes seem to believe they are proprietors of a post-racial paradise. ” https://www.bloomberg.com/...
Bo Ren / @bosefina: Honored to share my story along other Asian Americans in tech I respect like @ericbahn @hjzhu @ekp @jzmusings about our lived experiences cracking the bamboo ceiling and navigating double standards: https://www.bloomberg.com/... Our stories compound to change ✊🏽
Ellen Huet / @ellenhuet: really proud of this feature @Priyasideas and I wrote exploring the sometimes-surreal experience of being Asian American in tech: the overrepresented minority huge thank you to @Bosefina, @ericbahn, @hjzhu, @ekp, @jzmusings and others who shared stories https://www.bloomberg.com/...
Bloomberg Graphics / @bbgvisualdata: The stereotype of Asian Americans—the fastest-growing racial or ethnic group—as privileged and upwardly mobile is misleading. The reality is more complicated. https://www.bloomberg.com/... https://twitter.com/...
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Analysis of e-receipts from 1M+ consumers shows that the average Uber and Lyft fares in the US were 50% higher in July 2021 compared with January 2020 — Data show average fares were at a record in July despite improvement in pandemic-driven shortage of driversTweets:
@domainnamewire: I took taxis twice this week b/c they were cheaper than Uber/Lyft and lined up so I didn't have to wait for them https://www.wsj.com/... via @WSJ
Preetika Rana / @preetika_rana: Uber and Lyft drivers are returning. But nationwide prices are still at a record high. https://www.wsj.com/... “The average Uber and Lyft fare in the U.S. rose month-to-month from February through July, touching new highs every time.” My latest @WSJ https://twitter.com/...
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Christopher Mims / @mims: Honestly if your first reaction on seeing this is “ugh robots gonna take all the jobs” you gotta update your priors. It's just not how automation plays out, ever. https://twitter.com/...
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Hypervisible Dot Pdf / @hypervisible: “The technology is moving forward, whether anybody likes it, really...” https://www.cnn.com/...
@wsmv: That's Tom Cruise, right? NO. It's become easy to find deepfakes online. Some smartphone apps even let you make them yourself, and that becomes challenging given all the other misinformation floating around. https://www.wsmv.com/... https://twitter.com/...
Donie O'Sullivan / @donie: How a deepfake Tom Cruise on TikTok turned into a very real AI company, @rachelmetz explains https://www.cnn.com/...
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